Snowdon is a dummy

Who's the phony here?

I've adm itted when I've been wrong and even apologized to several people.

You're just a waste of time, and you're now on my Ignore list.

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They really hate Snowden. The NSA is clearly, madly, deeply furious at the man whose actions triggered the biggest crisis in its history. Even while contending they welcome the debate that now engages the nation, they say that they hate the way it was triggered. The NSA has an admittedly insular culture — the officials described it as almost like a family. Morale suffers when friends and neighbors think that NSA employees are sitting around reading grandma’s email. Also, the agency believes that the Snowden leaks have seriously hurt national security (though others dispute this). NSA officials are infuriated that all this havoc was caused by some random contractor. They suggest that had Snowden been familiar with the culture and the ethos of the agency, understood the level of training undergone by its employees, seen the level of regulations and oversight, he would have been less likely to abscond with all those documents. (Snowden’s interviews indicate otherwise.) Still, they are stunned that someone “inside the fence” would do what Snowden did. Even if Snowden is eventually pardoned, he’d do well to steer clear of Fort Meade.

According to a report in the Süddeutsche Zeitung, the USA won't tell how long they spied Merkel's phone. Additionally, they want to spy on other German top politicians as before.
The paper quotes sources from the German spy agency BND, saying, they want to stop the 'no-spy-talks'.
The spokesperson of the government is quoted, saying that in the next three months or later still some positive results might be possible.

No matter what...Snowden has been charged with stealing classified documents and releasing them to unauthorized parties.

He should be allowed a chance to clear himself of those charges...

...in a fair trial here in the United States.

a fair trial here in the United States.

Frank Apisa wrote:

No matter what...Snowden has been charged with stealing classified documents and releasing them to unauthorized parties.

He should be allowed a chance to clear himself of those charges...

...in a fair trial here in the United States.

he's not the one who should be facing charges. That person should be whoever it was who authorised mass surveillance And yes, he should get,

FRANK wrote:

a fair trial here in the United States.

...but here in the United States...

Frank Apisa wrote:

...but here in the United States...

Do you have to use that phrase as if it's something unique to America? It's really quite condescending.

The law may be one thing, but ethically Snowden is in the right whilst the person or persons who get the go ahead are in the wrong. With a legal system that supports the opposite, is it any wonder Snowden believes he won't get a fair trial.

I certainly do not mean to be condescending, Izzy, but you appeared not to realize the procedure.

Frank Apisa wrote:

I certainly do not mean to be condescending, Izzy, but you appeared not to realize the procedure.

I didn't think the discussion was about procedure, but whether or not Snowden did the right thing.

You can debate law ad infinitum, but it comes down to whether or not Snowden was justified in doing what he did. So far the release of information through respected media outlets doesn't seem to have harmed national security despite what the naysayers say.

Freedom has always had to play a balancing act with national security, and during times of war fair enough. This isn't a time of war, and the ramping up of paranoia and portraying a disparate bunch of criminals as some global terrorist group doesn't make it so.

The law is wrong, some sort of whistleblower legislation needs to be passed to protect people like Snowden. Once that's done, he'll get a fair trial but not before because the law is clearly skewed against whistleblowers.

Sorry Frank but you can not have a free nation when not only are the american people being lied to but congress is also.

.telling them the truth will not help much if at all.

Sorry, but we have to disagree.