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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
BillRM
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 08:31 pm
@oralloy,
Sorry but no one with a brain cell working is going to trust american commerce security software or hardware for anything of important.

Hell, I picked a non US firm to purchase a VPN service from and would never never consider a US commerce close source security program as you must assume that all such have back doors build in them.

For example would be Microsoft bitlocker for hard drive encryption is a non-starter.

According to one Microsoft engineer the Fed did ask but did not get a backdoor but once more who would trust that they did not in the end get a backdoor in Bitlocker one way or another.

Quote:


http://boingboing.net/2013/09/11/how-the-feds-asked-microsoft-t.html

As the astonishing news that the NSA spent $250M/year on a sabotage program directed against commercial security systems spreads, more details keep emerging. A long and interesting story on Mashable includes an interview with Peter Biddle, an ex-Microsoft security engineer who worked extensively on BitLocker, a full-disk encryption tool with a good reputation that was called into question by the latest leaks. Biddle (disclosure: a friend of mine) describes how he was approached to add a backdoor to BitLocker, and how he rebuffed various government agencies.

In the case of Microsoft, according to the engineers, the requests came in the course of multiple meetings with the FBI. These kinds of meetings were standard at Microsoft, according to both Biddle and another former Microsoft engineer who worked on the BitLocker team, who wanted to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the matter.

"I had more meetings with more agencies that I can remember or count," said Biddle.

Biddle said these meetings were so frequent, and with so many different agencies, he doesn't specifically remember if it was the FBI that asked for a backdoor. But the anonymous Microsoft engineer we spoke with confirmed that it was, in fact, the FBI.

During a meeting, an agent complained about BitLocker and expressed his frustration.

"****, you guys are giving us the shaft," the agent said, according to Biddle and the Microsoft engineer, who were both present at the meeting. (Though Biddle insisted he didn't remember which agency he spoke with, he said he remembered this particular exchange.)

Biddle wasn't intimidated. "No, we're not giving you the shaft, we're merely commoditizing the shaft," he responded.

Did the FBI Lean On Microsoft for Access to Its Encryption Software? [Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai/Mashable]

(Thanks, Peter!)

(Image: BitLocker Drive Encryption, a Creative Com
mons Attribution (2.0) image from jeffwilcox's photostream)
oralloy
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 08:49 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Sorry but no one with a brain cell working is going to trust american commerce security software or hardware for anything of important.

Most people are going to realize that if they are not hiding government secrets or hatching terrorist plots, the NSA has no interest in them.

They also will realize that the industry of other nations is just as compromised as US industry is.

And two of those other nations (France and China) actually use their national spy agencies to steal industrial secrets.


BillRM wrote:
Hell, I picked a non US firm to purchase a VPN service from and would never never consider a US commerce close source security program as you must assume that all such have back doors build in them.

Closed source verses open source makes a huge difference in how secure something is.

American verses non-American though, no relevance to security whatsoever.

American open source is just as safe as non-American open source.

Non-American closed source is just as insecure as American closed source.
JTT
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 08:56 pm
@oralloy,
Oralloy: Most people are going to realize that if they are not hiding government secrets or hatching terrorist plots, the NSA has no interest in them.

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That's a flat out lie. They are vacuuming up all the info they can in direct violation of the us constitution.

A fascist state rolled into a totalitarian one. What a fitting end to the land of the free and the home of the cowering sheeple.
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jan, 2014 09:19 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Most people are going to realize that if they are not hiding government secrets or hatching terrorist plots, the NSA has no interest in them.


Right I should trust every government employee to have all my private information at their whim after all not all NSA employees thirty thousands of them and many hundreds of thousands contractors are going to be as honorable as Snowdon!!!!!!!!!

Quote:
American verses non-American though, no relevance to security whatsoever.


Nonsense most governments do not have a NSA type outfit with a hundred billions dollars a year budget and who is known to spend many hundreds of millions to get black doors in place in american firms software/hardware.

RABEL222
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jan, 2014 10:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I wonder how many of them have ties to terror groups that blow up men, women and children just for the hell of it.[quote
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RABEL222
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 10:08 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter wrote
Quote:
they disregard our laws.


I seem to remember that Germany ignored some of our laws they disagreed with.
BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 3 Jan, 2014 10:10 pm
@oralloy,

Quote:
Most people are going to realize that if they are not hiding government secrets or hatching terrorist plots, the NSA has no interest in them.


Quote:


By Michael Isikoff
NBC News National Investigative Correspondent
National Security Agency employees improperly eavesdropped on the phone calls of girlfriends, boyfriends, husbands, wives and spouses and engaged in other "intentional" abuses of their authority on 12 occasions since 2003, according to a newly released letter by the agency's inspector general.


The agency also has two open investigations into alleged misuse of its eavesdropping authorities and is reviewing a third one for possible investigation, according to a letter by NSA inspector general Dr. George Ellard.
Ellard's letter – in response to an inquiry by GOP Sen. Charles Grassley – was prompted by media reports that NSA employees at times have been caught in what is informally known as "loveint" – collecting intelligence on love interests. But until now, the specific examples and the frequency of such cases have never been disclosed by the NSA.
In one case revealed by Ellard, an NSA employee for five years snooped on the phone calls of nine female foreign nationals "without a valid foreign intelligence purposes." In another, 2011 instance, an NSA employee admitted it was "her practice" to eavesdrop on foreign phone numbers "she obtained in social settings" in order to ensure she was not talking to “shady characters.'' Both employees resigned before any disciplinary action could be taken.
"What's clear about the instances of abuse is that these have nothing to do with terrorism," said Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union. "This is about individuals prying into the private lives of the people closest to them. It's an abuse of government data that should not be in the government's hands."
Among other examples cited in Ellard's letter:
In 2011, an NSA employee acknowledged that "out of curiosity" he had tried to listen in on the phone calls of his girlfriend, a foreign national. The agency's system blocked him from doing so, but the employee did retrieve "metadata"-- records of time, date and duration of the girlfriend's phone calls. The subject's actions were referred to the Justice Department, which declined prosecution.
In 2005, the NSA discovered that another NSA employee eavesdropped for a month "without an authorized purpose" on the phone calls of his foreign national girlfriend. The employee was trying to determine if she was "involved" with any foreign officials or engaged in other activities that "might get him in trouble." The employee retired before the investigation into his activities was finished.
In 2004, a NSA employee retrieved data on a foreign telephone number she had discovered on her husband's cell phone. The case was referred to the Justice Department for prosecution, but the employee resigned before any NSA discipline could be imposed. The letter does not address whether there was a prosecution effort.

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BillRM
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 10:40 pm
@oralloy,
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Most people are going to realize that if they are not hiding government secrets or hatching terrorist plots, the NSA has no interest in them.


Like the FBI under Hoover?

Quote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover

He used the FBI to harass political dissenters and activists, to amass secret files on political leaders,[2] and to collect evidence using illegal methods.[3] Hoover consequently amassed a great deal of power and was in a position to intimidate and threaten sitting Presidents.[4]

According to President Harry S. Truman, Hoover transformed the FBI into his private secret police force; Truman stated that "we want no Gestapo or secret police. FBI is tending in that direction. They are dabbling in sex-life scandals and plain blackmail. J. Edgar Hoover would give his right eye to take over, and all congressmen and senators are afraid of him".[5]
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oralloy
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 11:24 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Right I should trust every government employee to have all my private information at their whim

The NSA is always going to have the ability to hack into your computers if they want to, and there is nothing that you will ever be able to do to stop them.


BillRM wrote:
after all not all NSA employees thirty thousands of them and many hundreds of thousands contractors are going to be as honorable as Snowdon!!!!!!!!!

Referring to treason as honorable is silly.


BillRM wrote:
oralloy wrote:
American verses non-American though, no relevance to security whatsoever.

Nonsense most governments do not have a NSA type outfit

Yes they do, at least if they are the sort of country that has a tech industry.


BillRM wrote:
with a hundred billions dollars a year budget

The size of the US budget does not prevent foreign states from placing backdoors in their own industry's software.


BillRM wrote:
and who is known to spend many hundreds of millions to get black doors in place in american firms software/hardware.

The other states do that too. The US is no different in this respect.
oralloy
 
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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 11:25 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Most people are going to realize that if they are not hiding government secrets or hatching terrorist plots, the NSA has no interest in them.

That's a flat out lie.

No, everything in my statement is true.


JTT wrote:
They are vacuuming up all the info they can in direct violation of the us constitution.

The NSA has not violated the US Constitution in any way whatsoever.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 4 Jan, 2014 12:51 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
I seem to remember that Germany ignored some of our laws they disagreed with.
Do you remember an example?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 4 Jan, 2014 12:53 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

I wonder how many of them have ties to terror groups that blow up men, women and children just for the hell of it.[quote
Quote:
]

[/quote]You meean some of our conservative parliamentaries have ties to terrorist groups, are still elected lawmakers and aren't prosecuted here?
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BillRM
 
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Sat 4 Jan, 2014 05:24 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
The NSA is always going to have the ability to hack into your computers if they want to, and there is nothing that you will ever be able to do to stop them.


Hacking into some computers is not the same as the ability to do massive spying on the whole world including US citizens.

Cut their damn budget down until they can not do massive spying on the world and only have the resources to focus on real threats.

Quote:
Yes they do, at least if they are the sort of country that has a tech industry.


Off hand I would say NSA budget more then equal all the rest of the world intelligence budgets all together.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 4 Jan, 2014 06:11 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
The NSA is always going to have the ability to hack into your computers if they want to, and there is nothing that you will ever be able to do to stop them.


footnote that is not completely true as for example NSA could not hack into Bin Laden computers as they was not hook into the internet and anyone can set up an air break system where the computer with your important information is never on the net.

Next within arm reach of myself I have a live linux boot disk with tor where I can get onto the net while leaving my computers hard drives and their normal OS completely inaccessible from the internet. In fact leaving the hard drives both AT lock and encrypted with truecrypt.

Of course my likely threat models do not warrant such level of protections but you can indeed stop the NSA in it tracks as far as hacking into your systems remotely is concern.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 4 Jan, 2014 03:51 pm
NSA statement does not deny 'spying' on members of Congress

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The National Security Agency on Saturday released a statement in answer to questions from a senator about whether it “has spied, or is … currently spying, on members of Congress or other American elected officials”, in which it did not deny collecting communications from legislators of the US Congress to whom it says it is accountable. ...

In its statement, which comes as the NSA gears up for a make-or-break legislative battle over the scope of its surveillance powers, the agency pointed to “privacy protections” which it says it keeps on all Americans' phone records.

The statement read: “NSA’s authorities to collect signals intelligence data include procedures that protect the privacy of US persons. Such protections are built into and cut across the entire process. Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all US persons. NSA is fully committed to transparency with Congress. Our interaction with Congress has been extensive both before and since the media disclosures began last June.

“We are reviewing Senator Sanders’s letter now, and we will continue to work to ensure that all members of Congress, including Senator Sanders, have information about NSA’s mission, authorities, and programs to fully inform the discharge of their duties.”

Soon after Sanders' letter was published, the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, announced that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance (Fisa) Court, the body which exists to provide government oversight of NSA surveillance activities, had renewed the domestic phone records collection order for another 90 days.

On Saturday, the New York Times published a letter from Robert Litt, in which the general counsel for the Office of National Intelligence denied allegations that Clapper lied to Congress in March, when questioned about NSA domestic surveillance.

Last month, two federal judges issued contradictory verdicts on whether such NSA surveillance was constitutional. Judge Richard Leon said it was not constitutional; Judge William Pauley said that it was.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 4 Jan, 2014 04:00 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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The National Security Agency on Saturday released a statement in answer to questions from a senator about whether it “has spied, or is … currently spying, on members of Congress or other American elected officials”, in which it did not deny collecting communications from legislators of the US Congress to whom it says it is accountable. ...


Sounds like Hoover; government officials were all afraid of him.

Who is the NSA accountable to? They may end up taking over our government. Mr. Green
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 4 Jan, 2014 04:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
They may end up taking over our government


Or have they already done so?

A little blackmail of our president and key congressmen and women perhaps with a few federal judges thrown in?

Hell no need to blackmail the congressmen just offer them dirt on anyone running against them for that matter.
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spendius
 
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Sat 4 Jan, 2014 04:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
The National Security Agency on Saturday released a statement in answer to questions from a senator about whether it “has spied, or is … currently spying, on members of Congress or other American elected officials”, in which it did not deny collecting communications from legislators of the US Congress to whom it says it is accountable. ...


But if they know what these people are up to all day long they can protect them better. Surely?
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 4 Jan, 2014 04:30 pm
@spendius,
Looks like all the signs of a police state. If it looks and smells like....
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 4 Jan, 2014 05:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Looks like all the signs of a police state. If it looks and smells like....


A police state now???

We...are a police state in your opinion?

ci...you live in an environment that is freer and more open than the citizens of actual police states could even dream about.

We say what we want about our government and its leaders...and we are not carted off to prison.

The Soviet Union was a police state at one time. Imagine saying publicly the things you regularly say about our government and our leader....but saying them about Stalin when he was in power...or the government he lead!

Iraq was a police state at one time. Imagine saying publicly the things you regularly say about our government and our leader....but saying them about Suddam Hussein when he was in power...or the government he lead!

China was a police state at one time. Imagine saying publicly the things you regularly say about our government and our leader....but saying them about Mao when he was in power...or the government he lead!

You scorn our government, ci...and that is your right. But to classify it as a police state is over-the-top...and to suggest we Americans are living in a police state is an insult to people who have actually done so.
 

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