Snowdon is a dummy

LOL so you think that with somewhere of a total workforce of 800,000 you could keep that kind of secret forever?

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Tell me, Bill...is the harm being caused because the US spied...or because some misguided individual decided on his own to tell the world about the spying?

LOL so you think that with somewhere of a total workforce of 800,000 you could keep that kind of secret forever?

If not someone working for either the companies or NSA directly or indirectly did not spill the beans others was likely to find those backdoors independently.

If the persons who find those build in weaknesses are bad guys god know how must harm they could do to the world banking systems before they in turn are found out.

When you get American companies to put backdoors/weaknesses in their customers security software/hardware you are the one putting those firms at risk not Snowdon.

I'm not sure where you got that number, but that looks more like the country of a "police state" than a democracy! LOL

Tell me, Bill...is the harm being caused because the US spied...or because some misguided individual decided on his own to tell the world about the spying?

Lavabit announced today that it would shut down its encrypted email service rather than “become complicit in crimes against the American people.” Lavabit did not say what it had been asked to do, only that it was legally prohibited from sharing the events leading to its decision.

he NSA itself has about 40,000 employees. (Including "over 960 Ph.D.s, over 4,000 computer scientists, over a thousand mathematicians" according to Gen. Keith Alexander)

Both, I guess. There wouldn't be anything to report if the spying hadn't happened in the first place.

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Tell me, Bill...is the harm being caused because the US spied...or because some misguided individual decided on his own to tell the world about the spying?

Not even a little bit once more it is the US government that got American companies to screw their customers and to a lesser degree the the companies that was willing to break faith with those customers in one known case for ten millions dollars.

The reporter of misdeeds is not responsible for the bad things that flow out of those misdeeds becoming public knowledge.

Not everyone had the guts to shut down their companies before breaking faith with their customers in secret like Ladar Lavabit did stating:

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Lavabit announced today that it would shut down its encrypted email service rather than “become complicit in crimes against the American people.” Lavabit did not say what it had been asked to do, only that it was legally prohibited from sharing the events leading to its decision.

Tell me, Bill...is the harm being caused because the US spied...or because some misguided individual decided on his own to tell the world about the spying?

Is the harm being caused because the US spied...or because some misguided individual decided on his own to tell the world about the spying?

If the spying had gone on without the discloser...the spying would still be going on and the problem Bill is concerned about would not be a problem.

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Tell me, Bill...is the harm being caused because the US spied...or because some misguided individual decided on his own to tell the world about the spying?

Define harm.

The harm To Me is the harm caused by my own government against my belief of everything I thought this country stood for. To the people of NYC, which you and MIT clearly fall under, the harm is the potential prevention of another attack. To all of us, the "terrorists" have already won. What remains to be seen is how much of what we stand for can be recaptured.

Edit: your inclusion of the word "misguided" clearly indicates that you think there's only one right answer.

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Is the harm being caused because the US spied...or because some misguided individual decided on his own to tell the world about the spying?

An the answer once more is hell no for the reasons already given.

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If the spying had gone on without the discloser...the spying would still be going on and the problem Bill is concerned about would not be a problem.

Somebody else could have reported it, given the size of this operation and how poorly it appears to be managed.

How any organization can believe they can control 800,000 workers and billions of every sort of communication every day is beyond any hope of common sense. They never considered cost/benefit, efficiency, or the illegality of their accumulation of private communications.

It proves that our government are run by idiots.

TNCFS

My my Frank when the government begin to play those kinds of games on the scale they did they knew or should had known that the odds of the programs becoming public knowledge approach 100 percents as a limit.

It is their fault and no one else for what is happening.

Well...since WE are the government...it is OUR fault.