Snowdon is a dummy

I noticed you dident say anything about Iraq. That was the war that was all our fault.

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The intelligence community thinks they need a much larger volume of information than you do...and I trust their opinion a hell of a lot more than yours

No it is government bureaucrats that wish to increase their own empires beyond all reason and as a result we get such silliness as a data base of all phones calls in the US that had not stop one attack.

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That is not for us to decide...and certainly not for someone like Snowden to decide.

You mean it is a hundred little Hoovers to decide instead of the American people on how must privacy they are willing to give up to deal with a minor threat and in manner that have not even been found not to be useful beside.

You have absolutely no idea of what has or has not been stopped by whatever the intelligence agencies are doing, Bill.

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You have absolutely no idea of what has or has not been stopped by whatever the intelligence agencies are doing, Bill.

That might be so - but are you one of those few who know it, Frank?

And if you think we are facing a "minor threat"...you are lucky there are people trying to protect you, Bill...even though you bad-mouth them as much as you do.

Not at all. Absolutely no chance at all that I know.

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And if you think we are facing a "minor threat"...you are lucky there are people trying to protect you, Bill...even though you bad-mouth them as much as you do.

Yes we are so lucky that those assholes are slowly turning this nation into a 1980s eastern block state and ruining the nation economic at the same time.

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Not at all. Absolutely no chance at all that I know.

Even those who know it (or should know it) don't tell. Otherwise, there would be a bit more action by the various police forces and prosecutors.

But it makes precious little sense to assert, as Bill did...that absolutely nothing has been stopped.

My experiences with secret services are history as are those with police forces/prosecution etc (those more like "newer history") And more or less only related to the German situation.

But I do think that even today, if something really relevant would have been found, we would know it.
On the other side, it's often better to observe a bit longer - thus getting the real important behind it.

What has been stopped here in German was done be normal police work ... with some additional help from the (domestic) secret service.

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But it makes precious little sense to assert, as Bill did...that absolutely nothing has been stopped.

I am taking the word of one of the members of the President own Panel concerning the usefulness of the massive data base of all US phone calls.

OBL is winning. 9/11 DID break the American spirit after all.

Ahhh...in this one instance you are supposing a member of the government is telling the truth. Interesting!

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Ahhh...in this one instance you are supposing a member of the government is telling the truth. Interesting!

So you think that the man is not telling the truth or it is likely that the man is not telling the truth and all that data have in fact been useful and not just a danger to all of us privacy?