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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
BillRM
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 05:26 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Thank you for that, Bill. I wish them good luck also. All decent Americans probably do



I wish most of them to need to find more useful work then destroying a large fraction of the American economics, ruining our relationships with most of the rest of the world and making a joke out of the bill or rights.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 05:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

FACT: Collecting billions of private communication is not going to stop terrorists. Most mass killings in the US are done without any outward warnings. Nobody can "catch" these killers by the mass collection of private communication data. The cost doesn't justify the benefit.


That is not for us to decide...and certainly not for someone like Snowden to decide.

We all try to do our jobs as best we can. That is what they are doing...and I suspect they save our asses more often than some of us want to acknowledge.

If you guys can do better...go apply for the job.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 21 Dec, 2013 05:27 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Thank you for that, Bill. I wish them good luck also. All decent Americans probably do



I wish most of them to need to find more useful work then destroying a large fraction of the American economics, ruining our relationships with most of the rest of the world and making a joke out of the bill or rights.


Oh, no...you mean you were only kidding when you wished them good luck! Rolling Eyes
BillRM
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 05:32 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
The intelligence community thinks they need a much larger volume of information than you do...and I trust their opinion a hell of a lot more than yours


No it is government bureaucrats that wish to increase their own empires beyond all reason and as a result we get such silliness as a data base of all phones calls in the US that had not stop one attack.
BillRM
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 05:36 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
That is not for us to decide...and certainly not for someone like Snowden to decide.


You mean it is a hundred little Hoovers to decide instead of the American people on how must privacy they are willing to give up to deal with a minor threat and in manner that have not even been found not to be useful beside.
BillRM
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 05:38 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Oh, no...you mean you were only kidding when you wished them good luck!


It is always better to have useful work then not.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 07:34 pm
@JPB,
Quote:
This post disgusts me. Just sayin'. If you have something to add to the conversation then add it. If your point is to belittle a regular member of this forum then I suggest you find a mirror and look for a fault or two of your own.


So sorry I've up-ended your equilibrium regarding the poster, Billrm, but unfortunately we're often unable to please all posters. I sought to try and explain how I interpreted BillRm"s garbled posts.....now perhaps I was wrong, but I do not apologize to you. You find my post "disgusting" , well, tough ****! I am not particularly in love with your response. I did not say factually that BillRm was such a poster who could not hear or speak, but that was the way I interpreted his posts. And yes, my aim was to belittle the poster BillRM, because simply, that's exactly what he tries to do. So step down off your high horse and face reality!
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RABEL222
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 07:59 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Do you actually believe an Israelie intelligence minister or any intelligence minister of any country, including your own? I thought you smarter than that.
RABEL222
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 08:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
For the same so many people jump on porno sites?
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 08:06 pm
@RABEL222,
Did you know that Canada has legalized prostitution?

Also, porn is in the eye of the beholder and culture.
RABEL222
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 08:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
But they MIGHT have stopped 9/11. But we will never know, will we?
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 08:11 pm
@RABEL222,
There were plenty of warnings that the administration just ignored.

Quote:
New York Times
The Deafness Before the Storm
By KURT EICHENWALD
Published: September 10, 2012 913 Comments
IT was perhaps the most famous presidential briefing in history.

Javier Jaén Benavides

On Aug. 6, 2001, President George W. Bush received a classified review of the threats posed by Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network, Al Qaeda. That morning’s “presidential daily brief” — the top-secret document prepared by America’s intelligence agencies — featured the now-infamous heading: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” A few weeks later, on 9/11, Al Qaeda accomplished that goal.


And.

Quote:

MILITARY & DEFENSE More: 9/11 George W. Bush Osama bin Laden Al Qaeda
Bush Received More Warnings About 9/11 Than We Realized
GUS LUBIN
SEP. 11, 2012, 7:26 AM

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/new-report-shows-how-many-warnings-about-bin-laden-were-ignored-by-the-bush-white-house-2012-9#ixzz2oALNu2qa
RABEL222
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 08:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Dosent bother me. I have thought we should along with a bunch of other things that dont really damage the U S of A rather than fill up jails with people who dont hurt anyone but themselves. But that would probably put a lot of cops, judges and lawyers out of a job so it will never happen.
RABEL222
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 08:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Granted. But maybe just that one call might have caught the idiot in charges attention. I have admitted it wasent likely. He was too busy lowering taxes on the rich and moving jobs to foreign countries to help our U S of A corporations ceo's make more money while screwing the common citizens.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 08:25 pm
@RABEL222,
It bothers me a great deal that our government sent our men and women into combat into a unnecessary war that ended up killing tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis in the longest war our country has ever been involved in. The cost of those wars (Iraq and Afghanistan) were never funded, and those costs carried over into the Great Recession when our country could least afford it.

We now have many of those veterans homeless or have committed suicide.

Why it doesn't bother you is no concern of mine.
RABEL222
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 09:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Forgive me for asking CI but where in my post did I say that I agreed with the Iraq war? I agreed with Afghanistan for the first few years but when we went into Iraq I wanted both wars ended immediately. I guess this shows how much power I had to influence good government. But I did vote against the assholes who started the wars.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 09:21 pm
@RABEL222,
You didn't; I was the one who put my .02c worth about both Iraq and Afghanistan. To me, both wars were wrong. I really got pissed when Obama increased our troops in Afghanistan by 5o,000.
BillRM
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 11:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
To me, both wars were wrong.


Afghanistan? It was wrong to go into a country who government willingly and knowingly allowed itself to be a base of terrorists attacks and a shield for terrorists who had killed around 4000 Americans and destroy two of the world major buildings in the heart of the nation most important city?

Why?????????????
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 12:07 am
@RABEL222,
No, I don't. I just wanted to show with that copied report that the friendship is a bit "irritated".
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RABEL222
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 12:18 am
@BillRM,
I noticed you dident say anything about Iraq. That was the war that was all our fault. If the asshole had just stayed in Afghanistan long enough to cripple the Taliban which he had when he decided to go into Iraq and come back home even a Bush hater like me would have given him credit for dealing the Taliban a mortal blow. But it seems like most people impressed with power he couldent control himself, thus the name asshole, little a.
 

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