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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 10:43 pm
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 20 Dec, 2013 11:34 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
Fascinating to see the absolute isolation you appear to be living in.
That's the main reason, I keep reading.
oralloy
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 07:27 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
That's the main reason, I keep reading.

You're a silly little blowhard who has never been, and will never be, able to point out a single fact that I am wrong about.

For all your silly yapping, what speaks loudest of all is your inability to challenge me on any fact.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 07:27 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Sorry my friend but the NSA is and had been completely out of control and over funded

The NSA are completely under control. Their job is to spy on enemies and fake allies, and they do their job very well.

I wouldn't mind seeing their funding increased.



BillRM wrote:
and are ruining our relationship with the rest of the world.

When fake allies concoct bogus excuses and start attacking us, the only people to blame for those attacks are the fake allies.

The only thing to do about it is to tell the NSA to keep very close tabs on those fake allies so we won't be caught off guard when they try to stab us in the back.



BillRM wrote:
Nor have the mass phone spying program been shown to be making us one bet safer and as a example of that all those phone records had not found or stop one attack on the US.

NSA is screwing the nation big time.

Quote:
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/20/21975158-nsa-program-stopped-no-terror-attacks-says-white-house-panel-member

A member of the White House review panel on NSA surveillance said he was “absolutely” surprised when he discovered the agency’s lack of evidence that the bulk collection of telephone call records had thwarted any terrorist attacks.

“It was, ‘Huh, hello? What are we doing here?’” said Geoffrey Stone, a University of Chicago law professor, in an interview with NBC News. “The results were very thin.”
While Stone said the mass collection of telephone call records was a “logical program” from the NSA’s perspective, one question the White House panel was seeking to answer was whether it had actually stopped “any [terror attacks] that might have been really big.”
“We found none,” said Stone.
Under the NSA program, first revealed by ex-contractor Edward Snowden, the agency collects in bulk the records of the time and duration of phone calls made by persons inside the United States.
Stone was one of five members of the White House review panel – and the only one without any intelligence community experience – that this week produced a sweeping report recommending that the NSA’s collection of phone call records be terminated to protect Americans’ privacy rights.
The panel made that recommendation after concluding that the program was “not essential in preventing attacks.”
“That was stunning. That was the ballgame,” said one congressional intelligence official, who asked not to be publicly identified. “It flies in the face of everything that they have tossed at us.”

Oh come on. That is so obviously propaganda.

Snowden damaged that particular program so much that is is no longer effective, so it is being put forth as "the big bogeyman" that they will then kill/cancel.

Then everyone who has been manipulated into thinking the NSA is doing something wrong will be manipulated into thinking everything is OK again.
BillRM
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 08:45 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Their job is to spy on enemies and fake allies


So the American people are the enemy along with the rest of the first world population?

We are not talking about just one government spying on other governments here we are talking about one out of control government spying on everyone in the world to the degree they can do so including their own people.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 08:47 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Their job is to spy on enemies and fake allies


So the American people are the enemy along with the rest of the first world population?

We are not talking about just one government spying on other governments here we are talking about one out of control government spying on everyone in the world to the degree they can do so including their own people.


Right, Bill. The intelligence community should just pick out the people they know mean us harm...and only spy on them.

Right? Rolling Eyes
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 21 Dec, 2013 08:52 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Then everyone who has been manipulated into thinking the NSA is doing something wrong will be manipulated into thinking everything is OK again.


The problem is that neither the american people or the rest of the whole damn world is going to be convicted that NSA is limiting itself to it charter even in the highly unlikely event it is rein in.

So we have lost one hell of a lot of the trillions of dollars of worldwide business involving network hardware and software and cloud storage services for the foreseeable future.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 08:58 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Right, Bill. The intelligence community should just pick out the people they know mean us harm...and only spy on them.


Just like the police should not search every home in the nation looking for stolen goods they should not monitor all our private communications looking for Terrorists hiding under our beds.

The government acting as it is now is far more of a threat to our freedoms and well being as a people then all the terrorists in the world combine.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 08:59 am
Quote:
Jacob Appelbaum, a US Internet activist and one of the people with access to Edward Snowden's documents, has told a Berlin paper that his apartment was broken into, saying he suspected US involvement.

Berlin resident and US national Jacob Appelbaum told Saturday's edition of the "Berliner Zeitung" daily that he believed he was under surveillance in the German capital. Appelbaum told the paper that somebody had broken into his apartment and used his computer in his absence.
"When I flew away for an appointment, I installed four alarm systems in my apartment," Appelbaum told the paper after discussing other situtations which he said made him feel uneasy. "When I returned, three of them had been turned off. The fourth, however, had registered that somebody was in my flat - although I'm the only one with a key. And some of my effects, whose positions I carefully note, were indeed askew. My computers had been turned on and off."
He told the Berliner Zeitung that his experiences in Berlin might at first appear to be coincidence, but said that "when you start keeping track, their frequency does become striking."
Appelbaum accused the US security services of practicing a policy of subversion or disruptiveness similar to that in the former Communist East Germany.
[...]
Appelbaum moved to Berlin citing better privacy protection in Germany and saying he did not feel safe in the US after a series of airport detentions after trips abroad. ... ... ...
[...]
In August in Berlin, Appelbaum delivered Edward Snowden's acceptance speech after he was awarded the biannual Whistleblower Prize by a group of NGOs.
Source
BillRM
 
  2  
Sat 21 Dec, 2013 09:07 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I would turn over that computer to experts to see if any software and or hardware had been added to the machine.

In the future he might wish to limit himself to a netbook or a small laptop that he keep with him at all time or with friends and protected that with having the hard drive lock and the hard drive encrypted with truecrypt.

Oh weight the computer so it anyone would add hardware to it you would know it at once.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 09:12 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Right, Bill. The intelligence community should just pick out the people they know mean us harm...and only spy on them.


Just like the police should not search every home in the nation looking for stolen goods they should not monitor all our private communications looking for Terrorists hiding under our beds.

The government acting as it is now is far more of a threat to our freedoms and well being as a people then all the terrorists in the world combine.


So you agree...the intelligence community should just pick out the people they know mean us harm...and only spy on them?

How did we ever come to this?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 09:13 am
@BillRM,
Actually, he IS a specialist in computer safety.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 09:14 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Actually, he IS a specialist in computer safety.


Bill does not teach computer safety. He teaches paranoia.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 09:18 am
@Frank Apisa,
I was referring to the profession of Appelbaum.
BillRM
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 09:20 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Actually, he IS a specialist in computer safety.


Interesting and yet he leave a desk top computer where someone could break in and access it adding software or hardware to it?

All bets are off as far as safety using it in the future, even if it is protected with truecrypt, if someone had have physical access to your computer with special note of someone with the technology of the NSA.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 09:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

I was referring to the profession of Appelbaum.


I wasn't.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 09:28 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Interesting and yet he leave a desk top computer where someone could break in and access it adding software of hardware to it?
http://www.dw.de/snowden-ally-appelbaum-claims-his-berlin-apartment-was-invaded/a-17315069
All bets are off as far as safety using it in the future, even if it is protected with truecrypt, if someone had have physical access to your computer with special note of someone with the technology of the NSA.
Interview in full (but in German)

The flat was secured by different alarm systems: three were broken, the forth worked (and thus he knows that someone was in there).

The laptop was secured as well - thus he knows that it was switched on and off.

The data are encrypted, he communicates mainly via Thor ...
BillRM
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 09:28 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Bill does not teach computer safety. He teaches paranoia.


Unlike you I have an idea of what can be done if someone with the resources of an intelligence service is allow access to a computer.

I know about such matters as the evil maid attacked that can get around even truecrypt by placing software in the boot sector of a hard drive and hardware key loggers.

When you are a likely target of an out of control intelligence service with tens of billions dollars yearly budgets there is no such thing as being paranoia over your data security.

BillRM
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 09:38 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
The data are encrypted, he communicates mainly via Thor ...


First it should be tor not thor and having the data encrypted is fine however as soon as he boot that computer the next time and un-encrypted that data to used it on that computer the date no longer can be guarantee to be save as the computer no longer can be trusted to be use.

For example someone could had placed a small keylogging program in the boot sector of the hard drive that would record his password when he boot the machine or someone could had added a hardware device to do the same thing.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 21 Dec, 2013 09:38 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Bill does not teach computer safety. He teaches paranoia.


Unlike you I have an idea of what can be done if someone with the resources of an intelligence service is allow access to a computer.

I know about such matters as the evil maid attacked that can get around even truecrypt by placing software in the boot sector of a hard drive and hardware key loggers.

When you are a likely target of an out of control intelligence service with tens of billions dollars yearly budgets there is no such thing as being paranoia over your data security.




And when you add the grassy knoll and Area 51 into the mix...you have almost no time for golf or poker.
 

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