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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

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Yeah...I am concerned about that. And spying has been going on since biblical days. So...we spy. Big deal. My guess is that every country spies.

ROFLMAO

I'm asking you Frank. Did they have a Constitution the prohibited intrusion into private lives back then? LOL

No they didn't, ci. We have one now.

How is that working out?

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@Frank Apisa,

For you, not so well! LOL

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@Frank Apisa,

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Yeah...I am concerned about that. And spying has been going on since biblical days. So...we spy. Big deal. My guess is that every country spies.

Massive spying on everyday citizens in new as even the worst totalitarian states did not have the technology to do it before this point.

We are making the worst governments in the history of the human race look benign as far as spying is concern.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

For you, not so well! LOL

And for you? LOL!

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Yeah...I am concerned about that. And spying has been going on since biblical days. So...we spy. Big deal. My guess is that every country spies.

Massive spying on everyday citizens in new as even the worst totalitarian states did not have the technology to do it before this point.

We are making the worst governments in the history of the human race look benign as far as spying is concern.

Really.

Wow...you must be thinking of moving.

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@Olivier5,

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Or we could blow off GCHQ and blame it on Al Qaeda...

You looking to take a long vacation in Cuba?....lol

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@Frank Apisa,

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Really.

Wow...you must be thinking of moving.

Where would you suggest my moving to Mars perhaps as we are doing this spying on the third to the human race that are on the internet.

Of course the people of the world could take axes to all the internet cables coming or going into the US and England.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Of course the people of the world could take axes to all the internet cables coming or going into the US and England.

If third-world states wish to cut themselves off from the internet, I doubt the civilized world will even notice.

Some of this hysteria is getting pretty silly. If someone isn't a terrorist or the government of a disreputable nation, they are not being targeted by the NSA.

And we are not going to stop spying on the governments of disreputable nations and trying to root out terrorists no matter how much the world whines at us.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

If someone isn't a terrorist or the government of a disreputable nation, they are not being targeted by the NSA. ... And we are not going to stop spying on the governments of disreputable nations and trying to root out terrorists no matter how much the world whines at us.

NSA operations in 60 countries included not just arguably one of America’s closest allies, but also individuals from the likes of the UN and EU.

So what about Israel? (Ehud Olmert, the PM of Israel at the time of the January 2009 interception, was spied on by the NSA and British colleagues at the GCHQ.)

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

You mean like the program that we know exist to reveal the computer browsering habits of people the government does not like concerning going to legal repeat legal porn sites.

"People the government doesn't like"?

Members of al-Qa'ida?

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@BillRM,

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Countries such as China and Russia that are seeking to impose more national controls on the Internet are finding their views gaining ground. Rising economic powers, including India, Mexico and South Korea, are weighing further limits. Brazil’s President Dilma Rousseff, a target of NSA surveillance, is calling for a new conversation about Internet governance with support from Germany, whose chancellor, Angela Merkel, also was an NSA target.

Right. The way to protect civil rights on the internet is to put the Chinese Army in charge of the internet.

If the UN ever passes that absurdity, they will find that the civilized world will ignore them and the internet will continue as before.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

So what about Israel? (Ehud Olmert, the PM of Israel at the time of the January 2009 interception, was spied on by the NSA and British colleagues at the GCHQ.)

Well, Israel is certainly not disreputable like the UN and much of Europe.

But while we are friends with Israel, the US and Israel do indeed spy on each other.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

But while we are friends with Israel, the US and Israel do indeed spy on each other.

So how do I have to understand what you wrote some minutes ago? Spying between friends shows how deep and close their friendship is and how much they trust each other?

You wrote:

If someone isn't a terrorist or the government of a disreputable nation, they are not being targeted by the NSA. ... And we are not going to stop spying on the governments of disreputable nations and trying to root out terrorists no matter how much the world whines at us.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

This is just the beginning of what the harm the US is doing to itself with NSA massive spying.
We do not need terrorists to attacks us we are able to do far more harm to ourselves.

If anti-American bigots use the fact that we spy on terrorists and disreputable governments to justify not doing business with American companies, that is not the fault of American spy agencies.

It is not even the fault of that Snowden character (though he should face the death penalty for his damage to the nation's security).

It is solely the fault of those anti-American bigots.

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@oralloy,

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Well, Israel is certainly not disreputable like the UN and much of Europe.

Everybody is disreputable except us oralloy. Nobody else is not up to no good.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

So how do I have to understand what you wrote some minutes ago:

I was calling Germany a disreputable country. Not because of you, but because of the way most of Germany is acting right now.

Decent states recognize that all nations spy on each other, and recognize that the US is not doing anything out of the ordinary.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Everybody is disreputable except us oralloy. Nobody else is not up to no good.

The UK is indeed one of the good guys. But I think we can expand the list to include more than the US and UK.

How about Canada, Australia, and New Zealand?

Israel and Japan?

Poland and Georgia?

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

I was calling Germany a disreputable country. Not because of you, but because of the way most of Germany is acting right now.

You know, it has been a conservative led coalition government (with the Liberals). Unfortunately, it didn't change a lot (though the Social-Democrats are now the minority partner).

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Spying between friends shows how deep and close their friendship is and how much they trust each other?

Spying might indicate a small lack of trust (but when it comes to international relations, trusting blindly is often foolhardy).

It does not necessarily indicate a lack of friendship.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

You know, it has been a conservative led coalition government (with the Liberals). Unfortunately, it didn't change a lot (though the Social-Democrats are now the minority partner).

I do not say that Germany's government is disreputable. I say that they govern a disreputable country.

I am appalled at the way the German people are acting towards us. I question whether or not the German people are secretly on the side of the terrorists.

(I feel the same way about Pakistan, BTW.)

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