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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 04:07 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Good for Merkel! Any one that belongs in any country's government that speaks honestly to Obama about US snooping into private lives has my greatest admiration!

Obama is a liar who can't be trusted; the recent declaration by a judge in the US to declare US snooping as possible crime against our Constitution also has my admiration.

Without transparency, there's no way I'm going to believe anything Obama or the people in government say about their snooping.

Obama's declaration of getting together a special commission to look into this matter belongs on the laugher curve. All he has to do is command, 'STOP IT' and making the penalty 30 years in prison and $10,000 fine. That'll stop it.

spendius
 
  2  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 04:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
All he has to do is command, 'STOP IT!'


If he could do that he could plait the sands of the shores into a rope.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 04:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Obama is a liar who can't be trusted;


First it not just Obama that is the problem as NSA did not go off course in his administration alone and if it is downgrade from the monster that it had become there will be somewhere like 800,000 high pay workers out of a job.

My god considering the current size of this monster I am surprise that we have not had a dozen Snowdons by now.
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Moment-in-Time
 
  -1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 04:33 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:

At some point you have to learn that the word is "and"...not "an."

Anyway...


Before I placed BillRM on ignore I had a difficult time making sense of some of his posts. It's as if Billrm were born unable to hear or speak and he learned the best way he could by sign language. His formation of grammatical sentences in the English language, seems garbled many times. But it wasn't so much the screwed up writing that turned me off, but his personal views on cultural/political issues.
BillRM
 
  3  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 04:45 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
but his personal views on cultural/political issues.


I am oh so happy not to share your views on the world and humankind.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 05:00 pm
I know this might be a little hard to understand but it is fear that NSA had gotten together with US chips manufacturers to have backdoors placed into key hardware chips and it is just beginning ruin the market for US chips.

Whole major US companies could end up going belly up due to this problem.

Quote:


http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=226678


Have A Nice Death, Intel


This is not a good thing for Intel, and while it is not -- yet -- trashing them in the marketplace, it might down the road.

In yet another washup from the Snowden revelations, the developers of FreeBSD have decided to take several steps backwards in their crypto work, to stop using hardware random number generators (RNGs).

The two hardware RNGs singled out by the FreeBSD developers in this post are Intel's RDRAND (in Ivy Bridge processors), and VIA's Padlock.

If you recall one of the revelations on the NSA and its spying crapware is that it sought to infiltrate the generation of random seeds in cryptography. This move is a severe problem for Intel should it spread, and unless something is done to prove that no tampering has taken place and more to the point, that tampered chips are not in wide use, it is likely to spread.

Random number generation is utterly critical to good cryptography. Without it you can have the best algorithm in the world but it will be trivial to break it. Since it is very, very difficult (effectively impossible) to break modern cryptography by brute computing force the usual approach nowdays is to cheat.

Anything you can do that reduces the solution set helps.

Random numbers are used to initialize the cryptographic algorithm. It's necessary that they actually be random, because if you can predict the next "random" number then you can also break the code without actually having to break the cryptography itself.

The problem with such tampering is that it is not targeted at all. That is, if you've managed to tamper with the random number generator in a given chipset then everyone who uses that chipset has their cryptography rendered useless.

If the NSA in fact did this they are likely to be ultimately responsible for the destruction of the firms that incorporated the tampered RNGs, as the chips involved are embedded in communications and computing devices worldwide. The harm will reach into the trillions of dollars, and all of it due to government spookworks hubris.

Intel, and the other players in these spaces, need to take a cold, hard look at this and figure out how to prove that their chips are indeed ok -- if they are.

Until they do the unfortunate reality is that one must assume that the tampering has, in fact, taken place.

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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 05:11 pm
@BillRM,
The real issue is that the spying on privates lives have cost the high tech companies billions of dollars in revenue - and sill rising.

When the government impedes businesses as they are with their spying, they are the terrorists against our standard of living. Not only are many foreign companies refusing to do business with the US, but they have also stopped and/or slowed down many business transactions.

Our government is too stubborn to realize the damage they are doing to all of us.
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 05:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
In a way the fact that very very big US firms are beginning to feel the pain of our government actions is our best hope in getting NSA rein in.

The pressures from key players in our economic is more likely to do so then congress and the courts together.

God help us all if it come out that Microsoft have place any kind of back doors in any versions of windows for NSA.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 05:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From USNews.com.

Quote:

Study: NSA Spying May Cost U.S. Companies $35 Billion
Network spying could discourage $35 billion in cloud-computing sales through 2016

By TOM RISEN
spendius
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 05:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Chicken feed ci.
BillRM
 
  2  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 08:05 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Chicken feed ci.


The cloud computing lost is only one aspect of the cost to the US of this silliness as it could be trillions of dollars in worst case.
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BillRM
 
  2  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 08:19 pm
Quote:
By The Washington Post

Published: Tuesday, Dec. 17, 2013, 8:48 p.m.
Updated 8 minutes ago

Leaders of the nation's biggest technology firms warned President Obama during a meeting at the White House Tuesday that National Security Agency spying programs are damaging their businesses and could harm the broader economy.
Cisco has said it is already seeing customers, especially those overseas, back away from American-branded technology after documents revealed the NSA enlisted technology companies and also secretly tapped into their data hubs around the world as the agency pursued terrorism suspects. Other firms, such as IBM and AT&T are facing angry shareholders, some of whom have filed lawsuits demanding that the companies disclose their participation in NSA programs.
Silicon Valley has been a critical driver of the economic recovery and has long represented the face of American ingenuity around the world. Many of these companies say they are still trying to assess the damage caused by documentation of their work with intelligence officials.




Read more: http://triblive.com/usworld/nation/5272894-74/companies-nsa-technology#ixzz2nmydwf6a
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JPB
 
  4  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 08:26 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
This post disgusts me. Just sayin'. If you have something to add to the conversation then add it. If your point is to belittle a regular member of this forum then I suggest you find a mirror and look for a fault or two of your own.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 18 Dec, 2013 03:03 pm
Quote:
The White House has released the report of a surveillance review board that has recommended modifying the National Security Agency counter-terrorism programme that collects virtually all Americans’ phone records.

The recommendation that the NSA no longer keep the phone database – estimated by some former officials to contain more than 1 trillion records – is among a set of sweeping technical reforms aimed at restoring public confidence in the spying apparatus, said individuals briefed on its contents.

President Obama met with the five-member Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technologies this morning.

Rather than the NSA, the phone companies or a third party would hold the phone records, said US officials briefed on the contents.

The report’s 40-plus recommendations also include barring the NSA from asking companies to build “back doors” into their software so that the government may gain access to encrypted communications. The NSA will thus be barred from undermining global encryption standards and prohibited from stockpiling “zero day” hacking tools that can be used to penetrate computer systems, and in some cases damage or destroy them, according to the individuals, who were not authorised to speak on the record.

The panel also suggested moving the NSA’s information assurance directorate, which is in charge of protecting classified government computer systems, under a separate entity.

... ... ...
© The Washington Post
Source
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JPB
 
  3  
Thu 19 Dec, 2013 03:54 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:


Have perjury charges been filed against Clapper, JPB?

If they have...I enthusiastically support his right to a fair trial.

Okay?


You may get to do just that, Frank.

Quote:
Seven House Judiciary Members Demand DOJ Investigate James Clapper For Lying To Congress
from the now-we're-getting-somewhere dept
Since the Snowden revelations first started coming out, forcing James Clapper to admit that he flat-out lied to Congress, we've been somewhat perplexed as to how Clapper could come out of the whole thing "unscathed." Congress seemed willing to look the other way, and the President didn't appear to have any interest in firing Clapper or Keith Alexander, so as not to "let Snowden win." But, it's never made much sense. Lying to Congress is a pretty serious crime -- and considering the lying was to cover up a program that just this week was found to be unconstitutional, it seems even more serious. The fact that anyone in Congress thinks that Clapper can even be remotely trusted to tell the truth going forward when he got away with lying, seems bizarre.

Hopefully that will be changing now.

Back in October, Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner, the author of the PATRIOT Act, argued that Clapper should be fired and prosecuted, but hadn't done anything to move that forward. However, with Monday's ruling now making it pretty clear that the program that Clapper lied about (in response to a question from Senator Ron Wyden), Sensenbrenner, along with six of his colleagues on the House Judiciary Committee have sent a letter to Eric Holder, demanding an investigation into Clapper's lying to Congress. The letter is quite a read. They're pretty direct about calling out Clapper for lying, how this is against the law, how others in government have been prosecuted for the same thing, and even how allowing this to go unpunished contributes to "cynicism" about the government. More


Also, you didn't provide an opinion on whether Snowden should be remanded to prison pending trial or be allowed bail.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Thu 19 Dec, 2013 04:01 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:


Have perjury charges been filed against Clapper, JPB?

If they have...I enthusiastically support his right to a fair trial.

Okay?


You may get to do just that, Frank.


I will go on record right now...without any indictment. If indicted and charged...I hope he gets a fair trial.


Quote:

Quote:
Seven House Judiciary Members Demand DOJ Investigate James Clapper For Lying To Congress
from the now-we're-getting-somewhere dept
Since the Snowden revelations first started coming out, forcing James Clapper to admit that he flat-out lied to Congress, we've been somewhat perplexed as to how Clapper could come out of the whole thing "unscathed." Congress seemed willing to look the other way, and the President didn't appear to have any interest in firing Clapper or Keith Alexander, so as not to "let Snowden win." But, it's never made much sense. Lying to Congress is a pretty serious crime -- and considering the lying was to cover up a program that just this week was found to be unconstitutional, it seems even more serious. The fact that anyone in Congress thinks that Clapper can even be remotely trusted to tell the truth going forward when he got away with lying, seems bizarre.

Hopefully that will be changing now.

Back in October, Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner, the author of the PATRIOT Act, argued that Clapper should be fired and prosecuted, but hadn't done anything to move that forward. However, with Monday's ruling now making it pretty clear that the program that Clapper lied about (in response to a question from Senator Ron Wyden), Sensenbrenner, along with six of his colleagues on the House Judiciary Committee have sent a letter to Eric Holder, demanding an investigation into Clapper's lying to Congress. The letter is quite a read. They're pretty direct about calling out Clapper for lying, how this is against the law, how others in government have been prosecuted for the same thing, and even how allowing this to go unpunished contributes to "cynicism" about the government. More


Also, you didn't provide an opinion on whether Snowden should be remanded to prison pending trial or be allowed bail.


That would be up to a judge...but considering the severity of the charges and the fact that he has proven already to be a flight risk...I would say NO BAIL would be where I would place my bet.

I also think he would be safer in protective custody.

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spendius
 
  2  
Thu 19 Dec, 2013 06:23 pm
@JPB,
Quote:
Also, you didn't provide an opinion on whether Snowden should be remanded to prison pending trial or be allowed bail.


Apisa failed to answer that question when I asked him but now he has we need to ask him where he thinks Snowden should be held and under what conditions.

I think Mr Snowden is the best judge of whether "protective custody" is in his interests rather than some skint 24 handicap golfer from some backstreet in New Jersey.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 19 Dec, 2013 06:31 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
we need to ask him where he thinks Snowden should be held and under what conditions.

We have a nice supermax facility in Colorado that would be ideal if we were to capture the little bugger alive.

But I still say we should just DroneStrike him, and maybe score some collateral damage for bonus points.
BillRM
 
  2  
Thu 19 Dec, 2013 07:46 pm
@oralloy,
I still find it very straight that you are such a support of the 2 amendment but do not care about the other constitutional rights that the bill of right give us.

Snowden is a hero and any drone strikes would be aim far better at the NSA headquarters or the Utah new super computer center.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 19 Dec, 2013 08:23 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
I still find it very straight that you are such a support of the 2 amendment but do not care about the other constitutional rights that the bill of right give us.

"Observing the fact that there has been no violation of any Constitutional rights" does not amount to "not caring about those rights".


BillRM wrote:
Snowden is a hero

Were the 9/11 attackers heroes too?

The only thing Snowden has done is help al-Qa'ida murder innocent Americans.

(Well, he may have sold us out to Russia and China too I guess.)


BillRM wrote:
any drone strikes would be aim far better at the NSA headquarters or the Utah new super computer center.

The people who struggle to keep us safe should always be rewarded with a kick in the balls.
 

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