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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
spendius
 
  4  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 05:40 am
@Walter Hinteler,
If the judge is correct then all Snowden has done is report a crime.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 05:45 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
If the judge is correct then all Snowden has done is report a crime.

If.
spendius
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 05:59 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I am sure if James Madison had the opportunity to see the kinds of dangers faced today...he might have a change of heart.


Whatever Mr Madison might or might not have thought it is neither here nor there. If Shakespeare could see what is happening today he would possibly have a change of heart.

Mr Madison might have thought the constitutional breaches of the sort being considered here to be the greatest danger of all. Followed by mercantilism. Followed by extending the franchise.

Usher us little chicks into the safety of the nest on those Apisa.

Quote:
Why, oh, why would we want to base what we do...and deem necessary...on what people thought 250 years ago?


Because you can't think what else to do. If you offered some outline plan, a simple one on a beer mat will do, of an alternative and the process of bringing it about, then we make take you more seriously. We can't take foam from the mouth seriously for ****'s sake.
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spendius
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 06:10 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
If


I have no idea oralloy. I'm not a Federal Judge. It wasn't me who said that the surveillance programs were unconstitutional. I think they are perfectly in order.

Who will go into bat for a silly old world when a brave new one beckons. No proper middle class person would dream of doing such a thing.
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JPB
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 08:41 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I just heard on t.v. it may take up to six months for this process to be considered.


The full timeline for a USSC decision is estimated to be two years. The stay on the injunction may be lifted within 6 months.

In the meantime, Snowden is again requesting asylum in Brazil.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/17/edward-snowden-brazil-spying-asylum
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 10:02 am
@JPB,
Quote:
In the meantime, Snowden is again requesting asylum in Brazil


The question is how is he going to get here as the US had proven willing to get even a presidential plane force down to check for Snowden being abroad when it over flown an allies airspace.

The only thing I can think of is if there is some freighter that is Brazil flag that go to ports in Russia that could offer him a ride to Brazil as air travel seems to be off the table.

.
spendius
 
  2  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 10:29 am
@BillRM,
Couldn't he go in the "diplomatic bag"?
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Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 10:40 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:
In the meantime, Snowden is again requesting asylum in Brazil.
Edward Snowden's asylum-seeking letter to Brazil - in full
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 11:06 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

JPB wrote:
In the meantime, Snowden is again requesting asylum in Brazil.
Edward Snowden's asylum-seeking letter to Brazil - in full


He sounds very sincere.

I certainly hope he get the opportunity for a fair trial here in the United States.
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 11:19 am
@Frank Apisa,
Yes Frank he should be tried right after we give him a ticket tape parade in New York City even if trying him would be similar to trying Paul Revere.

The NSA is coming to take your privacy away to arms to arms.

In this case the arms would be software such as tor and truecrypt and perfect forwards secrecy, SSL everywhere,cryptcat and pgp...................

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxB9siIhHLwNUOGKmuBtzjC1RbvgF8UpWcyi9vhWJdf8N1bSFYBg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 17 Dec, 2013 11:28 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I certainly hope he get the opportunity for a fair trial here in the United States.
Well, if there's a trial in absentia ....
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JPB
 
  2  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 12:55 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I don't see you supporting a fair trial for Clapper on perjury charges, Frank. Do you support bail for Mr Snowden pending completion of his trial, or do you think he should be remanded?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:19 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

I don't see you supporting a fair trial for Clapper on perjury charges, Frank. Do you support bail for Mr Snowden pending completion of his trial, or do you think he should be remanded?


Have perjury charges been filed against Clapper, JPB?

If they have...I enthusiastically support his right to a fair trial.

Okay?
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 01:43 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Have perjury charges been filed against Clapper, JPB?

If they have...I enthusiastically support his right to a fair trial.


You mean that if a corrupt government does not file charges against their own criminals such as Clapper you are happy with that?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:00 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Have perjury charges been filed against Clapper, JPB?

If they have...I enthusiastically support his right to a fair trial.


You mean that if a corrupt government does not file charges against their own criminals such as Clapper you are happy with that?


Try to engage your brain before posting, Bill.

I did not say I was happy or unhappy with the Clapper situation.

I merely asked if perjury charges have been filed against him...and I noted that if they had been filed, I would enthusiastically support his right to a fair trial.

Why do you get so worked up over something like that?
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:39 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Sorry but a corrupt government have no moral rights to demand that anyone who make the corruption public stand trial by that very corrupt government.

An thankfully Snowdon is outside the control of the US at the moment and hopefully he will remain so at least until we can deal with this corrupt government.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 02:49 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Sorry but a corrupt government have no moral rights to demand that anyone who make the corruption public stand trial by that very corrupt government.


What in hell are you attempting to say here????


Quote:
An thankfully Snowdon...


At some point you have to learn that the word is "and"...not "an."

Anyway...



Quote:
An thankfully Snowdon is outside the control of the US at the moment and hopefully he will remain so at least until we can deal with this corrupt government.


Really.

How are you going to "deal with it?"
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 03:02 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Really.

How are you going to "deal with it?"


Many ways such as for example lighting a fire under the non-secret US courts system to have the government obey the constitution by law suits as is already happening.

Snowdon set in motions tearing the close relationships between large US businesses and the government in the matter of massive spying and as the US firms are looking at the lost of hundreds of billions of world wide business they will help bring the government back in line for their own welfare.

Lot of forces beginning moving the government back in line.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 03:55 pm
Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama
Quote:
In an angry exchange with Barack Obama, Angela Merkel has compared the snooping practices of the US with those of the Stasi, the ubiquitous and all-powerful secret police of the communist dictatorship in East Germany, where she grew up.

The German chancellor also told the US president that America's National Security Agency cannot be trusted because of the volume of material it had allowed to leak to the whistleblower Edward Snowden, according to the New York Times.
[...]
A draft report by a European parliament inquiry into the affair, being presented on Wednesday and obtained by the Guardian, says there has to be a discussion about the legality of the NSA's operations and also of the activities of European intelligence agencies.

The report drafted by Claude Moraes, the British Labour MEP heading the inquiry, says "we have received substantial evidence that the operations by intelligence services in the US, UK, France and Germany are in breach of international law and European law".

Rather than resorting to a European response, Berlin has been pursuing a bilateral pact with the Americans aimed at curbing NSA activities and insisting on a "no-spying pact" between allies.

The NYT reported that Susan Rice, Obama's national security adviser, had told Berlin that there would be not be a no-espionage agreement, although the Americans had pledged to desist from monitoring Merkel personally.

A high-ranking German official with knowledge of the talks with the White House told the Guardian there had been a "useful exchange of views", but confirmed a final agreement was far from being reached.

The Germans have received assurances that the chancellor's phone was not being monitored and that the US spy agency is not conducting industrial espionage.

However the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks, said German and US officials were still in the process of negotiating how any final agreement – the details of which could remain secret between both governments – would be formalised.
... ... ...
spendius
 
  1  
Tue 17 Dec, 2013 04:07 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
There is no solution Walt. The technology exists and is being updated all the time.

You must know a bit about de Sade. Vice is rewarded and virtue is punished. So who is up for being punished?
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