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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 12:07 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:
One of the questions I saw was that they want to determine if he had any other recourse than the one he took. I think this is critical to determining whether he had, or should have had, whistleblower protections.

Whistleblower protections are for people who expose wrongdoing, not for people who help our nation's enemies slaughter innocent Americans.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 12:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
the US whistleblower

I think I mentioned before that if you guys really want us to share intelligence with you in the same manner that we do with our close allies, you'll have to make us stop wondering whether you aren't secretly rooting for the terrorists.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 12:29 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
I think I mentioned before that if you guys really want us to share intelligence with you in the same manner that we do with our close allies, you'll have to make us stop wondering whether you aren't secretly rooting for the terrorists.
I don't think that this has anything to do with "sharing intelligence" but with the European parliament.

And reactions from your close UK:
Quote:
Labour MEP Claude Moraes, the lead rapporteur for the European parliament inquiry on the mass surveillance of EU citizens, welcomed the outcome of the vote and promised that questioning would be "rigorous and fair".
...
Labour MEP Claude Moraes, the lead rapporteur for the European parliament inquiry on the mass surveillance of EU citizens, welcomed the outcome of the vote and promised that questioning would be "rigorous and fair".
Source
oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 01:24 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I don't think that this has anything to do with "sharing intelligence" but with the European parliament.

And reactions from your close UK:
Quote:
Labour MEP Claude Moraes, the lead rapporteur for the European parliament inquiry on the mass surveillance of EU citizens, welcomed the outcome of the vote and promised that questioning would be "rigorous and fair".
...
Labour MEP Claude Moraes, the lead rapporteur for the European parliament inquiry on the mass surveillance of EU citizens, welcomed the outcome of the vote and promised that questioning would be "rigorous and fair".
Source

Note that I was not reacting to the thought of someone in the EU talking to Snowden via video link, but rather to your own characterization of a terrorist like Snowden as a "whistleblower".

As for whether German attitudes ultimately influence how much intelligence the US shares with Germany, that is not going to be my decision to make. But I would be very surprised if the US government responded favorably to German requests for closer intelligence ties.

However, I believe we will continue to inform you guys whenever we detect that terrorists are targeting you (at least assuming we are still able to detect such things in the wake of Snowden's aid to his fellow terrorists).
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 01:59 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
However, I believe we will continue to inform you guys whenever we detect that terrorists are targeting you (at least assuming we are still able to detect such things in the wake of Snowden's aid to his fellow terrorists).
Actually, it's Snowden only indirectly, because the US don't watch our laws.
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BillRM
 
  2  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 06:54 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Whistleblower protections are for people who expose wrongdoing, not for people who help our nation's enemies slaughter innocent Americans.


Or uphold the constitution it would seems.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 07:33 am
By cracking cellphone code, NSA has capacity for decoding private conversations

Quote:
[...] While the military and law enforcement agencies long have been able to hack into individual cellphones, the NSA’s capability appears to be far more sweeping because of the agency’s global signals collection operation. The agency’s ability to crack encryption used by the majority of cellphones in the world offers it wide-ranging powers to listen in on private conversations.

U.S. law prohibits the NSA from collecting the content of conversations between Americans without a court order. But experts say that if the NSA has developed the capacity to easily decode encrypted cellphone conversations, then other nations likely can do the same through their own intelligence services, potentially to Americans’ calls, as well.
[...]
Experts say the agency may also be able to decode newer forms of encryption, but only with a much heavier investment in time and computing power, making mass surveillance of cellphone conversations less practical.

“At that point, you can still listen to any [individual person’s] phone call, but not everybody’s,” said Karsten Nohl, chief scientist at Security Research Labs in Berlin.
[...]
Upgrading an entire network to better encryption provides substantially more privacy for users. Nohl, the German cryptographer, said that breaking a newer form of encryption, called A5/3, requires 100,000 times more computing power than breaking A5/1. But upgrading entire networks is an expensive, time-consuming undertaking that likely would cause interruptions in service for some customers as individual phones would be forced to switch to the new technology.

Amid the uproar over NSA’s eavesdropping on Merkel’s phone, two of the leading German cellphone service providers have announced that they are adopting the newer, stronger A5/3 encryption for their 2G networks.

They “are now doing it after not doing so for 10 years,” said Nohl, who long had urged such a move. “So, thank you, NSA.”

One of those companies, Deutsche Telekom, is the majority shareholder of T-Mobile. T-Mobile said in a statement this week that it was “continuously implementing advanced security technologies in accordance with worldwide recognized and trusted standards” but declined to say whether it uses A5/3 technology or plans to do so for its 2G networks in the United States.

AT&T, the largest provider of GSM cellphone services in the country, said it was deploying A5/3 encryption for parts of its network. “AT&T always protects its customers with the best encryption possible in line with what their device will support,” it said in a statement.

The company already deploys stronger encryption on its 3G and 4G networks, but customers may still wind up using 2G networks in congested areas or places where fewer cell towers are available. ... ...
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 07:33 am
Snowden should be returned to the United States for trial on the charges pending against him.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 07:37 am
@Frank Apisa,
Perhaps he will be returned, if Russia doesn't follow asylum laws.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 07:38 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Perhaps he will be returned, if Russia doesn't follow asylum laws.


I hope he is returned. He deserves a fair trial.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 07:49 am
@Frank Apisa,
And all the business associates/confidantes of Chang Song-thaek should return to Pyongyang for trial on the charges pending against them.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 08:34 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

And all the business associates/confidantes of Chang Song-thaek should return to Pyongyang for trial on the charges pending against them.


Perhaps. But my concern is for an American named Snowden.

He deserves a fair trial...and I hope he gets one.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 08:54 am
@Frank Apisa,
Christoph Meili, the Swiss whistleblower, got asylum in USA.
Meili and his family are the only Swiss nationals ever to receive political asylum in the United States.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 09:26 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
But my concern is for an American named Snowden.

He deserves a fair trial...and I hope he gets one.


Given all the publicity and bad press, is that possible? If I was Snowden's legal adviser I'd tell him to stay put.
spendius
 
  1  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 10:08 am
@izzythepush,
The problem izzy is that demanding a fair trial is an unassailable position to take in cuckoo land. Apisa searches for unassailable positions which is why he is of no account.

He no longer responds to my posts despite insisting on many occasions that they provided him with much amusement and many a good laugh.
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 10:42 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
But my concern is for an American named Snowden.

He deserves a fair trial...and I hope he gets one.


Given all the publicity and bad press, is that possible? If I was Snowden's legal adviser I'd tell him to stay put.


If you were Snowden's legal adviser, you might tell him to stay put.

But Snowden is accused of violating some very important laws in the United States...and he should stand trial for those alleged crimes.

He will undoubtedly be represented by some of the finest legal minds the US has to offer...and probably most of that representation will be free for him.

I think he can...and eventually will...get a fair trial.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 11:10 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I think he can...and eventually will...get a fair trial.


I think your trust in American jurisprudence is misplaced. OJ Simpson, Michael Jackson and George Zimmerman are all examples of money, power and influence calling the shots. I've seen nothing to suggest Snowden won't go the same way.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 11:29 am
@izzythepush,
The idea that Snowden will get a fair trial can't be based on how our government operates. That would be very naive.

Obama has the authority to put any citizen into prison without charge and legal representation.

I wonder how Frank thinks Snowden will get a fair trial?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 11:57 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I think he can...and eventually will...get a fair trial.


I think your trust in American jurisprudence is misplaced. OJ Simpson, Michael Jackson and George Zimmerman are all examples of money, power and influence calling the shots. I've seen nothing to suggest Snowden won't go the same way.


I think Snowden can...and will...get a fair trial. Most of his admirers want him to get anything but a fair trial. In fact, most of them want him not to have any trial at all...just to be considered a hero for what he did.

I want him to have a fair trial. He has been accused of some serious crimes...and I think a fair trial is in order.

My guess is he will have legal representation that will make the legal representation of Simpson, Jackson, and Zimmerman look like amateurs.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 14 Dec, 2013 11:58 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

The idea that Snowden will get a fair trial can't be based on how our government operates. That would be very naive.

Obama has the authority to put any citizen into prison without charge and legal representation.

I wonder how Frank thinks Snowden will get a fair trial?


When he stands trial...he will have very adequate representation...and he will have a jury of his peers.

The trial should be fair.
 

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