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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
spendius
 
  2  
Sat 26 Oct, 2013 03:21 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Yeah--the one showing Obarmy greeting Merkel at the Big Meet. The acting was a bit amateurish I thought. Lots of people can do sheepish grins to order. It was obviously all faked up because she would have clouted him round the ears with her handbag otherwise.
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Sat 26 Oct, 2013 03:30 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Yeah--the one showing Obarmy greeting Merkel at the Big Meet. The acting was a bit amateurish I thought. Lots of people can do sheepish grins to order. It was obviously all faked up because she would have clouted him round the ears with her handbag otherwise.


I missed that one. Doesn't sound like my kind of movie.

I saw a delightful bit of fluff called, Knight and Day. One of those Tom Cruise, Cameron Diaz vehicles.

Pure fluff...but an absolute delight if all you want is some entertainment and laughs.

Did you see that one?
RABEL222
 
  1  
Sat 26 Oct, 2013 03:41 pm
@spendius,
No their not. But mine and yours probably are. Nervous? I'm not.
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spendius
 
  2  
Sat 26 Oct, 2013 05:19 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Did you see that one?


Unfortunately I didn't.

Why don't you test your IQ on Trivia and Word Games my dear? Let's see what you wit is like when unrehearsed.
JTT
 
  2  
Sat 26 Oct, 2013 06:50 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I saw a delightful bit of fluff called, Knight and Day. One of those Tom Cruise, Cameron Diaz vehicles.


I thought you were more mature than that, Frank.
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Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Sat 26 Oct, 2013 08:06 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
Did you see that one?


Unfortunately I didn't.


That is unfortunate.

Quote:

Why don't you test your IQ on Trivia and Word Games my dear? Let's see what you wit is like when unrehearsed.


My wit mostly is unrehearsed...and I think it holds up rather well, Spendius.

And I often test myself (IQ is passe) on Trivia and Word Games...and crosswords and Killer Sudoku and the Rubik's Cube.

Hey...try to get Knight and Day on DVD and watch it. I think you will enjoy it. As I said...fluff. But very enjoyable fluff.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 27 Oct, 2013 04:06 am
A summary report by Deutsche Welle
Quote:
On Saturday, Spiegel magazine reported that the NSA's Special Collection Service (SCS) had listed Merkel's mobile telephone since 2002, beginning under the George W. Bush administration, and that it had remained on the list weeks before Obama visited Berlin in June.

According to the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung, Obama had told Merkel during a phone conversation on Wednesday that he had not known of the bugging. However, a report in Bild am Sonntag published Sunday cites an unnamed NSA official who said that the US leader instead ordered the program be escalated.

The newspaper reports that Obama knew that the NSA had been spying on Merkel's mobile phone since at least 2010, when NSA chief Keith Alexander personally informed him of the operation.
...
In addition to Merkel's mobile phone provided by her conservative political party, the NSA also listened in on a supposedly secure phone that Merkel received during the summer, according to Bild am Sonntag.

Only a special, secure landline phone in her office was reportedly not accessible to electronic tapping.
...
The NSA's findings, including the contents of SMS messages and phone calls, were reported directly to the White House and evidence indicates the operation continued until the "immediate past", according to Bild am Sonntag.

Bild am Sonntag also reported that the NSA eavesdropped on Merkel's predecessor, Gerhard Schröder, after then-President George W. Bush launched a spying program in 2002. The newspaper suggested a key reason for the operation was Schröder's refusal to support the Iraq War, and it was simply extended after Merkel took office in 2005.

Spiegel's earlier report had also said that NSA and CIA staff had tapped government communications with high-tech surveillance from the US Embassy in Berlin.

Spiegel cited a Special Collection Service document saying the agency had a "not legally registered spying branch" in the Berlin embassy, the exposure of which would lead to "grave damage for the relations of the United States to another government."

Quoting a secret 2010 document, Spiegel reported that such branches existed in about 80 locations worldwide, including Paris, Madrid, Rome, Prague, Geneva and Frankfurt. The magazine reported that it remained unclear whether the SCS had recorded conversations or just connection data. On Friday, Germany announced that experts considered Merkel's state-related calls safe given that she normally uses encrypted phones.

... ... ...

If the USA intercepted cellphones in Germany, they broke German law on German soil. Wiretapping is a crime. Who'd ever done it will get a fair trial.
spendius
 
  1  
Sun 27 Oct, 2013 04:24 am
@Frank Apisa,
Have you decided that I respect you now? Forget it. I don't.

Quote:
And I often test myself


And that is the reason why. I was asking you to allow us to test you.
spendius
 
  1  
Sun 27 Oct, 2013 05:13 am
@spendius,
I checked out the official trailer of K & D on U tube.

It's for kids sucking on lollipops.
BillRM
 
  0  
Sun 27 Oct, 2013 05:39 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
If the USA intercepted cellphones in Germany, they broke German law on German soil. Wiretapping is a crime. Who'd ever done it will get a fair trial.


LOL........
izzythepush
 
  2  
Sun 27 Oct, 2013 05:45 am
@BillRM,
Germany has no facility like Guantanamo Bay. Given the choice I'd opt for a trial in Germany over the United States any day.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 27 Oct, 2013 06:19 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
LOL........
I really don't understand your laughing here.
Wiretapping is a crime in Germany and we do have laws about it.
It was done from and on German soil.
Okay, we have a different court and legal system, but such doesn't make trials unfair.

In a secret document cited by Der Spiegel, the NSA said it had "not legally registered that spying branch" in the US embassy in Berlin, the exposure of which would lead to "grave damage for the relations of the United States to the German government".
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Sun 27 Oct, 2013 06:36 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Have you decided that I respect you now? Forget it. I don't.


I am sure you don't. I was not in a serious conversation with you. Whatever made you think that I was.

Quote:
Quote:
And I often test myself




And that is the reason why. I was asking you to allow us to test you.


You??? Speaking for "us?"

C'mon.

Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Sun 27 Oct, 2013 06:36 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

I checked out the official trailer of K & D on U tube.

It's for kids sucking on lollipops.


And?
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 27 Oct, 2013 06:54 am
@Walter Hinteler,
A BBC-News anylysis
Quote:
By all accounts, Angela Merkel has been genuinely shocked by the revelations. People close to her told the BBC she felt personally affronted. When Barack Obama was in Berlin in June, they did seem to get on well. She is not good at hiding her feelings, and the glum scowl she used to reserve for Silvio Berlusconi, for example, was replaced by a beam of warmth. They were tactile - he would put his arm round her back; she would clutch his elbow. Perhaps the sense of betrayal is all the greater because of her background in the East German communist regime where spying was pervasive. She might have expected it from the Stasi but not from her new best friend.

Others might feel betrayed, too. When the original allegations of widespread phone-tapping emerged, some of Chancellor Merkel's confidantes belittled the problem, saying the criticism of the US had a touch of anti-Americanism and that the surveillance was about terrorism.

These people are now some of the strongest critics of the US. They are also saying that German law has been broken. If the activities of American government employees were investigated by the German authorities, that would make the whole affair harder to damp down. It would be in the system of justice and pursuit would be relentless.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 27 Oct, 2013 07:21 am
@Walter Hinteler,
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zpsabe39622.jpg
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spendius
 
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Sun 27 Oct, 2013 07:42 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I was not in a serious conversation with you. Whatever made you think that I was.


That you took the time to engage in a conversation which involved you answering a question of mine. Which shows that you not answering other questions of mine on the lame excuse that I show you no respect is actually due to your refusing to answer them because you prefer ducking them. It can't be because I don't respect you because you just answered a simple question of mine despite knowing I don't respect you. As I only respect certain members of the female sex you ought to be pleased that I don't respect you. That'll be the day when I respect another bloke.

I think all your posts are deadly serious because they all involve you prettying up your self-image which is a very serious business for you. Claiming to be playing golf for example. Even when I could sometimes go round in par it never entered my head that I was playing golf.

It was a social mobility exercise mainly. Once blokes like you started becoming members blokes like me started jumping ship. I still have a couple of business connections which I made in those long gone days when the golf club was exclusive. At least I learned how to get on in life and having done so the next thing was to practice it. In a small pond I mean. The big pond is for mad men.

I'm inclined to think that the intelligence community is beset with the same basic, human, character and looking in at it from outside is very much like a kid with his nose pressed up against the toffee shop window.
spendius
 
  1  
Sun 27 Oct, 2013 07:52 am
@spendius,
Or better still, is very much like listening to reports from other kids who press their nose against toffee shop windows.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 27 Oct, 2013 08:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
I really don't understand your laughing here.
Wiretapping is a crime in Germany and we do have laws about it.
It was done from and on German soil.


I was laughing as it turn Frank express opinion here that Snowdon should be try by a US court on it back.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 27 Oct, 2013 10:17 am
I wrote:
If the USA intercepted cellphones in Germany, they broke German law on German soil. Wiretapping is a crime. Who'd ever done it will get a fair trial.
A trial will be rather impossible: according to Spiegel, NSA-personal in the US-embassy all have diplomatic status ...
 

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