Snowdon is a dummy

But that point was challenged before you made it. Serious terrorists, those properly funded I mean, have known the kit was being tapped. For years. They might even have rendered themselves suspicious in some tender manner in order to make sure their kit is tapped.

Organised crime the same. Savvy celebs.

What fun in the libel courts someone might have who knew their kit was tapped by a newspaper and that the newspaper didn't know that they knew.

Benghazi might have happened as it did because the red alert was buried in so many red alerts that it was ignored. Not that anyone not involved could be sure. It was simply declared a spontaneous local uprising that couldn't be foreseen.

It is quite an advantage and is now in doubt. I shouldn't think the serious terrorists are as happy as clams. Not at all.

As far as I can tell there are plenty of Americans who think that what they are doing to themselves is protecting their freedoms, such as they are, and the American way of life and are profoundly worried about what a small number of nosey geeky nerds are doing to them. And if unhindered will continue to do at a more efficient rate as time goes by.

If you were to visit a porn site, which I know you never would, you would be leaving a record of which site, which pictures selected, which blown up, which lingered over and which was the last one before you closed the link.

That's now I assume. The mail shots arrive later.

If you were to visit a porn site, which I know you never would, you would be leaving a record of which site, which pictures selected, which blown up, which lingered over and which was the last one before you closed the link.

As I said, Spendius, "I've already told you what must happen in order for me to consider discussing anything of significance with you."

Go to torproject.org

How do you know the NSA hasn't already cracked that one, Bill?

Why aren't the Tor folks being forced to turn over their junk like the, was the name LavaBit? email folks?

Go to torproject.org and download the free software you will find there an you can then visit all the porn sites your heart would wish to without being track back.

As I said, Spendius, "I've already told you what must happen in order for me to consider discussing anything of significance with you."

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As I said, Spendius, "I've already told you what must happen in order for me to consider discussing anything of significance with you."

I have not the slightest interest in discussing anything, significant or otherwise, with you. You're the diving board pal.

What on earth makes you think that a ******* 77 year old 18 handicap golfer (scuse me) in some nondescript dump in New Jersey has anything of interest to me? Getting a bit above yourself there old cock.

I'm not bothered about being tracked back Bill. It's those who are they are interested in.

I hope this means you will stop addressing questions...and semi-questions to me.

Why aren't the Tor folks being forced to turn over their junk like the, was the name LavaBit? email folks?

[...]Disclosures from fugitive US whistleblower Edward Snowden and published by media outlets internationally prompted Brazil and Germany on Friday to begin drafting a UN General Assembly resolution.

Its demand that excessive spying and invasions of privacy be ended follows complaints from Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff and most recently German Chancellor Angela Merkel over tapping of their communications, allegedly by the NSA.

Latin American and European diplomats quoted by the news agency Associated Press said Brazil and Germany were leading efforts to draft the resolution.

It would seek to expend privacy rights stated in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

In the 193-nation General Assembly it would be nonbinding but carry moral weight.[...]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57609238-83/stop-watching-us-eyes-big-rally-against-nsa-surveillance-q-a/

In protest of the National Security Agency's surveillance program, thousands of people are expected to march on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on Saturday.
The rally is being put together by a coalition of diverse groups that have come together under the umbrella organization Stop Watching Us. Their goal: end government spying.
The NSA is one of the biggest surveillance and eavesdropping agencies in the U.S. and was whistleblower Edward Snowden's workplace before he decided to leak some of the agency's top-secret documents to the press in June.

Rainey Reitman is the activism director for the Electronic Frontier Foundation and lead organizer for the Stop Watching Us rally.
(Credit: Electronic Frontier Foundation)
That document leak opened the public's eyes to the government's collection of data on US residents through both cellular records and metadata from Internet companies. Since Snowden's original leak, thousands more documents have surfaced.
At the time of the first leak, Stop Watching Us formed to take action against government surveillance programs and data collection. One such action was creating a petition calling for reform of federal surveillance laws. More than 575,000 people have now signed this petition. Stop Watching Us plans to deliver this petition to Congress during Saturday's rally.
The rally is scheduled to kick off at Union Station at 11:30 a.m. ET. Speakers include former NSA executive and whistleblower Thomas Drake, former Rep. Dennis Kucinich, Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), and more. Snowden also released a statement on Thursday urging people to attend the rally, saying, "Now it's time for the government to learn from us."
Rainey Reitman, the activism director for the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the rally's lead organizer, discussed Stop Watching Us' goals for surveillance reform with CNET's Dara Kerr. Here's an edited transcript of that discussion.
Question: What is Stop Watching Us?
Reitman: Stop Watching Us is a coalition that came together right after the Snowden leaks began appearing earlier this summer. It's a coalition of more than 100 different organizations and companies from across the political spectrum, it's got everyone from EFF and ACLU to Reddit and Freedom Works.
Can you tell me a bit about the Stop Watching Us protest planned for this weekend?
Reitman: On Saturday, we are going to be gathering at noon at Columbus Circle and will march to the Capitol Reflecting Pool. It's going to be a historic protest against NSA mass surveillance. We are going to have speakers like Bruce Schneier and Representative Amash and Thomas Drake, as well as musicians like the indie-pop group Yacht. We are going to be delivering 570,000 petitions from people demanding an end to mass suspicion-less surveillance by the NSA.
What is this petition asking for?
Reitman: We ask for three things in particular. First, we are asking for a congressional investigation so we can shed light on exactly what the National Security Agency is doing. Secondly, we ask for reform of federal surveillance law, specifically Section 215 of the Patriot Act, section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, and the state secrets privilege. The third thing we ask for is that the public officials who are responsible for hiding this be held accountable for their actions.
So, it's kind of a weighted petition. It's not just a general "we stand against the NSA surveillance," it's asking for very specific things and very specific reforms.
How important is surveillance law reform to the everyday American?
Reitman: This type of dragnet surveillance affects everybody. It affects you and me, and it's keeping records of every time I call my mother. It's the type of information that frankly the federal government doesn't need to be collecting on every single person in the United States. It has a real palpable effect on the ability of Americans to communicate in privacy.
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This is really a uniting issue, and I think that's why it's gotten such large support from people from all different political spectrums. This is ultimately something that everybody should care about. Just because you personally may not have something to hide from the United States government, doesn't mean you want to abandon the right of privacy for everyone.
What would surveillance law reform look like?
Reitman: Surveillance law reform is going to basically look like major overhauls to section 215 of the Patriot Act, which is the section the government claims allows them to surveil our phone records, as well as major reforms to section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which they argue gives them the ability to do Internet surveillance. And, the state secrets privilege is the legal instrument the government uses to prevent lawsuits from holding them accountable from moving forward. In order to really stop surveillance, we've got to tackle all three of these problems. And then we also have to deal with larger transparency issues in the FISA court.
Have there been any signs from Congress on surveillance law reform?
Reitman: The good news is that legislation in Congress is already in the works to address a lot of these problems. So, what we have to do is make the political space for those pieces of legislation to get momentum and move forward. We also have to stop any legislation that would try to legalize what the NSA is doing, which also is something that might happen in the coming months, weeks, or days.
What's next for Stop Watching Us?
Reitman: People should understand that the protest we're having this weekend is not the end of the fight, it's the beginning of a major battle we are going to have for months to come. This is the moment when we have an opportunity to really roll back the surveillance state like never before.

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http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57609238-83/stop-watching-us-eyes-big-rally-against-nsa-surveillance-q-a/

In protest of the National Security Agency's surveillance program, thousands of people are expected to march on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on Saturday.
The rally is being put together by a coalition of diverse groups that have come together under the umbrella organization Stop Watching Us. Their goal: end government spying.
The NSA is one of the biggest surveillance and eavesdropping agencies in the U.S. and was whistleblower Edward Snowden's workplace before he decided to leak some of the agency's top-secret documents to the press in June.

Rainey Reitman is the activism director for the Electronic Frontier Foundation and lead organizer for the Stop Watching Us rally.
(Credit: Electronic Frontier Foundation)
That document leak opened the public's eyes to the government's collection of data on US residents through both cellular records and metadata from Internet companies. Since Snowden's original leak, thousands more documents have surfaced.
At the time of the first leak, Stop Watching Us formed to take action against government surveillance programs and data collection. One such action was creating a petition calling for reform of federal surveillance laws. More than 575,000 people have now signed this petition. Stop Watching Us plans to deliver this petition to Congress during Saturday's rally.
The rally is scheduled to kick off at Union Station at 11:30 a.m. ET. Speakers include former NSA executive and whistleblower Thomas Drake, former Rep. Dennis Kucinich, Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), and more. Snowden also released a statement on Thursday urging people to attend the rally, saying, "Now it's time for the government to learn from us."
Rainey Reitman, the activism director for the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the rally's lead organizer, discussed Stop Watching Us' goals for surveillance reform with CNET's Dara Kerr. Here's an edited transcript of that discussion.
Question: What is Stop Watching Us?
Reitman: Stop Watching Us is a coalition that came together right after the Snowden leaks began appearing earlier this summer. It's a coalition of more than 100 different organizations and companies from across the political spectrum, it's got everyone from EFF and ACLU to Reddit and Freedom Works.
Can you tell me a bit about the Stop Watching Us protest planned for this weekend?
Reitman: On Saturday, we are going to be gathering at noon at Columbus Circle and will march to the Capitol Reflecting Pool. It's going to be a historic protest against NSA mass surveillance. We are going to have speakers like Bruce Schneier and Representative Amash and Thomas Drake, as well as musicians like the indie-pop group Yacht. We are going to be delivering 570,000 petitions from people demanding an end to mass suspicion-less surveillance by the NSA.
What is this petition asking for?
Reitman: We ask for three things in particular. First, we are asking for a congressional investigation so we can shed light on exactly what the National Security Agency is doing. Secondly, we ask for reform of federal surveillance law, specifically Section 215 of the Patriot Act, section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, and the state secrets privilege. The third thing we ask for is that the public officials who are responsible for hiding this be held accountable for their actions.
So, it's kind of a weighted petition. It's not just a general "we stand against the NSA surveillance," it's asking for very specific things and very specific reforms.
How important is surveillance law reform to the everyday American?
Reitman: This type of dragnet surveillance affects everybody. It affects you and me, and it's keeping records of every time I call my mother. It's the type of information that frankly the federal government doesn't need to be collecting on every single person in the United States. It has a real palpable effect on the ability of Americans to communicate in privacy.
Related stories
NSA's Web site is MIA, cause unclear
European leaders lash out at US over data snooping
Spying on the spies, a roundup of NSA news
NSA memo to staff: Help us spy on foreign leaders
CNET hosting Lavabit's Ladar Levison next Monday: Join us!
This is really a uniting issue, and I think that's why it's gotten such large support from people from all different political spectrums. This is ultimately something that everybody should care about. Just because you personally may not have something to hide from the United States government, doesn't mean you want to abandon the right of privacy for everyone.
What would surveillance law reform look like?
Reitman: Surveillance law reform is going to basically look like major overhauls to section 215 of the Patriot Act, which is the section the government claims allows them to surveil our phone records, as well as major reforms to section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which they argue gives them the ability to do Internet surveillance. And, the state secrets privilege is the legal instrument the government uses to prevent lawsuits from holding them accountable from moving forward. In order to really stop surveillance, we've got to tackle all three of these problems. And then we also have to deal with larger transparency issues in the FISA court.
Have there been any signs from Congress on surveillance law reform?
Reitman: The good news is that legislation in Congress is already in the works to address a lot of these problems. So, what we have to do is make the political space for those pieces of legislation to get momentum and move forward. We also have to stop any legislation that would try to legalize what the NSA is doing, which also is something that might happen in the coming months, weeks, or days.
What's next for Stop Watching Us?
Reitman: People should understand that the protest we're having this weekend is not the end of the fight, it's the beginning of a major battle we are going to have for months to come. This is the moment when we have an opportunity to really roll back the surveillance state like never before.