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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 09:14 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Just out as 'breaking news', the first and until now only comment by Merkel:
"Ausspähen unter Freunden - das geht gar nicht." "Spying among friends - that doesn't work at all."
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BillRM
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 09:21 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
I was forgetting that you don't see rape as a crime.


I unlike you do not see rape when an adult woman jumped into a sleeping man bed and start having sex with him only to declared afterward that is was rape due to her drinking too must before jumping into his bed!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or when a groupie approached a newscaster on the streets and later met him for dinner and drinks and a session of sex on her boss desk after hour and this became rape when she found out she was pregnant and could not credit her live in boyfriend as he could not father children by reason of her drinking too must at their dinner.

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JPB
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 09:35 am
Jesus! How many rape threads to we need here?
Olivier5
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 09:46 am
@BillRM,
This load of bullshit help you sleep at night?
BillRM
 
  1  
Thu 24 Oct, 2013 09:50 am
@JPB,
Quote:
Jesus! How many rape threads to we need here?


You going to have to ask Izzy that question.
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BillRM
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 09:57 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
This load of bullshit help you sleep at night?


Are you trying to claimed that terrorists have not and do not now used civilians men, women and children as shields?

Or that one terrorist was even willing to kill his girlfriend and unborn child in order to carry out a terrorist attack?

What happen to be bullshit?
Olivier5
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 10:14 am
@BillRM,
I am just saying that your army does not prosecute its own war criminals with much consistency (except when Karzai asks for it apparently - kudos to him), and that your trying to find excuses for such war crimes is morally despicable. You might as well try to explain why the SS killed so many people at Oradour sur Glane because they were angry at "French terrorists" (read the resistance).
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 10:15 am
... and now it's the Italian government, which was spied on. This time, however, the Brits did it as the NSA's accomplice:
Datagate, così ci spiano Stati Uniti e Gran Bretagna

The magazine l'Espresso will publish copied documents in their print edition tomorrow ....
JTT
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 10:25 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Said another way:

You can take your respect and trust and aim it toward you own government…and toward any “military” for which you actually pay (which is probably much less than needed, because you can pretty much count on the American military to do most of the heavy lifting for you). If, however, you realize that our government is no less worthy of the respect or trust you would reasonable place in your own government…do with your “trust and respect” what will least cause it to be bleached by sunlight.


Yet another exceedingly lame attempt to provide cover for the war crimes and terrorism of the US government and the US military.

You are just coming off two monumental illegal invasions of two sovereign nations. Those illegal invasions are the ultimate war crime, Frank. From these two war crimes, numerous war crimes have flowed.

As regards US "heavy lifting", the vast vast majority has been the US committing war crimes and terrorism, not for any noble purpose; it's simply been done in order to steal the wealth of other nations, in order to position US business interests in a patently unfair manner, in the same manner that mobsters operate.

Russia paid a much heavier price than the US in WWII. The US made out like a bandit in WWII, which was its plan all along.


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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 10:27 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
The fact that you do not “trust” our government makes sense. Most governments, ours certainly among them, have to do things that are not particularly appetizing, but which often are necessary in the grand scheme of things…cf. “if you like sausage, you don’t ever want to see it being made.”
Back to your post.
I've been (together with A2K'er friends) on a tour in a sausage factory (mainly for frankfurters - they invented canned frankfurters). Only best meat is used.

I do know a bit about spying. And I fully understand the necessity of spying for national security purposes. That can be eavesdropping on suspected (!!!) terrorists. But why is it done on allied political leaders and friendly governments????????
spendius
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 10:43 am
Thomas Jefferson, in a letter from Paris to a friend,--


Quote:
If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Govenors, shall all become wolves.




How can we be attentive when we don't know what's going on and a man has to risk his freedom to let us know.

It does seem to be a very important aspect of public affairs that our communications are routinely intercepted by the billion and stored for future use.

If it is said that Mr Jefferson lived in a bygone age and has no relevance now then it ought to be at least considered that everything else he said falls under the same provenance.

Taking him at his word, it would seem that he would have thought that the hounding of Mr Snowden was the policy of those who seek to rule as wolves might.

Although it is quite possible that members of hoi polloi who claque along with the hounding are merely seeking to be awarded gold stars by the authorities so that, if the **** hits the fan, they will be rewarded by positions in the new state that emerges for being so very, very good and all.

That being a particularly important consideration for Media franchises and what not besides it being so for individuals.

Mr Jefferson also said that--

Quote:
. . . .honest republican governments should be so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much.
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hawkeye10
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 11:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

No, I don't think so.

But generally, the Americans have lost a lot of trust.
would you expand on this please? why would you not expect the popular will to be to end hosting US military? We sure see that in Japan.
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BillRM
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 11:09 am
@Olivier5,
You are the one full of bullshit as the US military is not and never been similar to the SS.

We will not now or anytime in the future turn over the fate of our military men and women to people like you who think otherwise.

So call international courts would just be a tool for our enemies to attack us as you had been trying to do.
izzythepush
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 11:39 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

You are the one full of bullshit as the US military is not and never been similar to the SS.


Oliver is French.

Quote:
In true life, Europe was indeed saved by a tidal wave of courage and bravery that ensured freedom for generations but part of the horrific aftermath has remained buried by a mountain of sugar-coated Hollywood scripts.

The all-conquering GI was soon viewed with suspicion in France after US forces were accused of thousands of rapes, intimidation and having sex in daylight in parks, cemeteries and among the rubble of destroyed houses.

Controversial new research has revealed that the Normandy invasion of the Second World War was a supercharged erotic adventure for some who, after fighting their way off the murderous beaches, expected to find free love from a grateful public.

As they trained for the military operation in the UK, the GIs were motivated by lurid stories of how French women had few morals and would be swift to show their appreciation. The sexual propaganda was irresistible. Life magazine, one of the prominent publications of the day, stated: "France was a tremendous brothel inhabited by 40,000,000 hedonists who spent all their time eating, drinking and making love."


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/422860/D-Day-GIs-raped-and-killed-their-French-allies-while-US-army-generals-turned-a-blind-eye
RABEL222
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 11:47 am
@hawkeye10,
I hope you are right. Than maybe we could withdraw our troops from all the other countries who dont really want us. Than they can bitch about the Russian and Chinese and neighboring troops wrong doing in their countries.
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Olivier5
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 11:49 am
@BillRM,
Fine, keep your war criminals protected. But don't expect me to believe your laughable propaganda about US troops being held accountable through martial courts,'cause that's BS for little school boys and girls. If you were better informed, you wouldn't believe it yourself.
RABEL222
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 11:53 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I sure as hell hope they kick us out!!!
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Olivier5
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 11:55 am
@izzythepush,
It's not even historical, it's just that I know better than assume the US will seriously prosecute its own military. That's the kind of idiocy only a (fairly naive) American can spit out. And i am not even saying they are worse than other militaries, just that they are no better.
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RABEL222
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 11:56 am
@ehBeth,
I find it sad that "anyone" trusts their government or military.
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RABEL222
 
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Thu 24 Oct, 2013 12:07 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
If you are tying to say that the U S of A is the only country who spies on friendly countries you are spreading BS pretty thick. All countries spy on each other, both friendly and unfriendly. I am beginning to wonder just how much spying experience you really have.
 

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