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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
JTT
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 10:00 am
@Frank Apisa,
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As for the "lack of accountability" of US armed forces...if you are talking about keeping its members under control rather than running amok...

...I would say that our troops are more under control than most previous world forces have been.

If the thrust of your comment was aimed at higher ups...well, the same thing goes. The leaders of the most powerful countries in history all seemed more likely to be more excessive than what we are being.


Frank, you have fled every attempt to educate you on the US running amok. Ten, twelve or fifteen million people don't die in illegal invasions from people who are in control, by people who are "trying to save the oppressed".

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International Terrorism: Image and Reality
Noam Chomsky

...

There are many terrorist states in the world, but the United States is unusual in that it is officially committed to international terrorism, and on a scale that puts its rivals to shame.

...

The US commitment to international terrorism reaches to fine detail. Thus the proxy forces attacking Nicaragua were directed by their CIA and Pentagon commanders to attack "soft targets," that is, barely defended civilian targets. The State Department specifically authorized attacks on agricultural cooperatives -- exactly what we denounce with horror when the agent is Abu Nidal. Media doves expressed thoughtful approval of this stand. New Republic editor Michael Kinsley, at the liberal extreme of mainstream commentary, argued that we should not be too quick to dismiss State Department justifications for terrorist attacks on farming cooperatives: a "sensible policy" must "meet the test of cost-benefit analysis," an analysis of "the amount of blood and misery that will be poured in, and the likelihood that democracy will emerge at the other end." It is understood that US elites have the right to conduct the analysis and pursue the project if it passes their tests.6

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199112--02.htm




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http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-korean-war-the-unknown-war-the-coverup-of-us-war-crimes

The Korean War: The “Unknown War”. The Coverup of US War Crimes
By Sherwood Ross
Global Research, March 16, 2011

Though the North Koreans had a reputation for viciousness, according to Cumings, U.S. soldiers actually engaged in more civilian massacres. This included dropping over half a million tons of bombs and thousands of tons of napalm, more than was loosed on the entire Pacific theater in World War II, almost indiscriminately. The review goes on to say, “Cumings deftly reveals how Korea was a clear precursor to Vietnam: a divided country, fighting a long anti-colonial war with a committed and underestimated enemy; enter the U.S., efforts go poorly, disillusionment spreads among soldiers, and lies are told at top levels in an attempt to ignore or obfuscate a relentless stream of bad news. For those who like their truth unvarnished, Cumings’s history will be a fresh, welcome take on events that seemed to have long been settled.”

Interviewed in two one-hour installments by Lawrence Velvel, Dean of the Massachusetts School of Law at Andover, producers of Comcast’s “Books of Our Time” with the first installment being shown on Sunday, March 20th, Cumings said U.S. coverage of the war was badly slanted. Hanson Baldwin, the military correspondent for The New York Times, described “North Koreans as locusts, like Nazis, like vermin, who come shrieking on. I mean, this is really hard stuff to read in an era when you don’t get away with that kind of thinking anymore.” Cumings adds, “Rapes were extremely common. Koreans in the South will still say that that was one of the worst things of the war (was how)many American soldiers were raping Korean women.”



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Olivier5
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 10:28 am
@BillRM,
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The Haditha incident (also called the Haditha killings or the Haditha massacre) refers to the incident in which 24 unarmed Iraqi men, women and children, all civilians,[1] were killed by a group of United States Marines on November 19, 2005 in Haditha, a city in the western Iraqi province of Al Anbar. The dead included several children and elderly people, who were shot multiple times at close range while unarmed. It has been alleged that the killings were retribution for the attack on a convoy of Marines with an improvised explosive device that killed Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas. Many news reports have compared the incident to the My Lai massacre.[2]

[...] Iraqis expressed disbelief and voiced outrage after the six-year US military prosecution ended with none of the Marines sentenced to jail.


In other words, killing unarmed women and children at point blank is okay for the US army.
Olivier5
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 10:40 am
@Frank Apisa,
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If you want to link me to Walter's post...do so.

It's the post I was responding to. I also gave the post number. Anyone with more than half a brain cell should be able to find it. Tell me if you can't.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 11:18 am
Seems now that our Chancellor's private mobile phone was "supervised" by the USA via NSA: this, is reported, was confirmed by the Bundesnachrichtendienst (foreign intelligence agency of Germany) and the Federal Office for Information Security ...

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zps947845c7.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 11:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
This time, Merkel really is angry - not 'polite diplomatic' as she had been when the spying on our embassies became known.

Someone should tell her that this was done over all the years only to keep US-American citizens safe!
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 11:37 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Actually, I got that above breaking news from Spiegel (which by now is the main topic on all [German] news channels) just in the moment, when I wanted to link to an interview by our local Member of the European Parliament: US abused spirit of SWIFT Agreement, parliamentarian says
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The EU parliament has suspended an accord on sharing banking data with the US. Intended to fight terrorism and organized crime, there are allegations the NSA used the deal to spy on Europeans, says MEP Birgit Sippel.
... ... ....
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 12:09 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
According to just released informations, President Obama told Merkel this afternoon that the USA of course didn't spy on her phone.
Even some conservative officials now aren't very happy with such generalising responses ...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 12:11 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
And "my" Birgit Sippel only made second in the main national news of our tv-stations. Wink
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 12:20 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House says President Barack Obama has assured German Chancellor Angela Merkel (AHN'-geh-lah MEHR'-kuhl) that the U.S. isn't listening in on her phone calls.

White House spokesman Jay Carney says Obama and Merkel spoke by phone on Wednesday. Germany says Merkel initiated the call after receiving information that U.S. intelligence may have targeted her mobile phone. Merkel's spokesman says the chancellor told Obama that if true, it would be unacceptable.

But Carney says, quote, "The United States is not monitoring and will not monitor the communications of the chancellor."

Carney says the U.S. is examining Germany's concerns as part of an ongoing review of how the U.S. gathers intelligence. The White House has cited that review in responding to similar spying concerns from France and other U.S. allies.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 12:23 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
AP wrote:
But Carney says, quote, "The United States is not monitoring and will not monitor the communications of the chancellor."

Merkel didn't give quotations from her call. But what has been reported and what had been in the news reorts was that the NSA HAD monitored her phone over a period of several years. Nothing was mentioned about "now" and/or "future".
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 12:45 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The government's spokesman Steffen Seibert just said it again: "The German government had been given information that US intelligence was spying on the mobile phone communications of Chancellor Angela Merkel. The chancellor today telephoned President Obama and made it very clear that she unequivocally disapproves such practices, and regards them as completely unacceptable."
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 12:58 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Carney said: "The United States is not monitoring and will not monitor the communications of the chancellor."

But asked by the Guardian if the US had monitored the German chancellor's phone "in the past", Caitlin Hayden, the White House's National Security Council spokeswoman, said: "The United States is not monitoring and will not monitor the communications of Chancellor Merkel. Beyond that, I'm not in a position to comment publicly on every specific alleged intelligence activity."
Source
JTT
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 01:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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But Carney says, quote, "The United States is not monitoring and will not monitor the communications of the chancellor."


The US knows that it's always better to have someone else further down the food chain lie for you. Carney can be sacrificed and sent down the road. Obama, like every US president, lies like a sidewalk. It's part of their job description, right after Terrorist in Chief and War Criminal in Chief.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 01:09 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
If you want to link me to Walter's post...do so.

It's the post I was responding to. I also gave the post number. Anyone with more than half a brain cell should be able to find it. Tell me if you can't.


Link me...or don't link me as you see fit. You are the one who wants me to read it.
JTT
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 01:13 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Link me...or don't link me as you see fit. You are the one who wants me to read it.


Why would he waste the time, Frank. You'd just devolve to a slightly different Frank Apisa song and dance routine.
spendius
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 01:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
But asked by the Guardian if the US had monitored the German chancellor's phone "in the past", Caitlin Hayden, the White House's National Security Council spokeswoman, said: "The United States is not monitoring and will not monitor the communications of Chancellor Merkel.


Looks like they have been taking lessons off Apisa.
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spendius
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 01:48 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Wouldn't it be amusing Walt if German intelligence knew the phone was being monitored over a period of several years. At that level a brand new mobile phone can be used every day for the real gravy.

I would have thought so anyway.

Two things seem odd to me--

1--That Merkel would use the same mobile phone over a period of years and

2-- that German Intelligence would not know if she had been doing.

Getting into Copeland country it is possible that the particular mobile phone was used to let the NSA know which football matches she was going to and which kindergartens she was visiting, along with the usual crews, in order that the US could see that she came to no harm, as a valued ally, because her own lot were not as good at it.

I know that's a bit far-fetched but it's a far-fetched world of murky mirrors and shadows were are opining about.
Olivier5
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 02:24 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Well, in retrospect I concluded that I DON'T want you to read it. You could die of a heart attack or commit suicide, and I don't want to have your death on my conscience.
Olivier5
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 02:26 pm
@spendius,
I ave been thinking about that too. Instead of making noise about it, they could quietly use the channels to dis-inform the US. That's what a spy would do (according to my bed-time readings Smile ).
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 23 Oct, 2013 02:28 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Well, in retrospect I concluded that I DON'T want you to read it. You could die of a heart attack or commit suicide, and I don't want to have your death on my conscience.


Whatever gets you through the day, Olivier.

(I'm a poet and don't know it.)
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