Snowdon is a dummy

Nationalistic hypocracy runs rampant through out the world. My guys have never done anything wrong, your guys are the scum of the world. Does this describe what you think?

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I won't speak for Frank, but I think it's generally assumed here that that is, indeed, the way of the world.

perhaps it's the way of America and some other governments but I don't believe it's the way of the world

Sounds to me like a distinction without a difference. I love England and Great Britain…and they have behaved reprehensibly during their history.

I suspect the “torture” of Manning has been greatly exaggerated. He broke the law…and was held in custody. “Being held in custody” is not pleasant.

Could be. But we helped you guys fight your wars…and you guys have had your share of bad conduct moments also.

Countries spy on one another. If you want to characterize it as “utter contempt” because you hate the way America behaves…that is your right. I do not feel that way.

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Sounds to me like a distinction without a difference. I love England and Great Britain…and they have behaved reprehensibly during their history.

Ummmmm, Frank, we're discussing the here and now, not ancient history. If you want to discuss the UK's war crimes acting in concert with the US's going on 70 years of vicious war crimes and terrorism that would be considered current affairs.

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I suspect the “torture” of Manning has been greatly exaggerated. He broke the law…and was held in custody. “Being held in custody” is not pleasant.

You "suspect" a lot of things but you're way way short on anything that remotely resembles proof. And when proof is offered that illustrates you're just a propagandist, what happens, you roll out your best editorial writing to counter.

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Could be. But we helped you guys fight your wars…and you guys have had your share of bad conduct moments also.

Don't think for a moment that the US got into WWII to save the world for democracy or even to really help others. The US got into WWII because it saw a golden opportunity to steal all the other imperialist countries' treasure troves.

If the US had really believed the propaganda it pumped out, why did it then continue to rape and pillage numerous Latin and South American countries, not to mention its forays into SE Asia.

Consider Vietnam, a country that only wanted to end foreign domination. Eisenhower knew this, knew that the people of Vietnam supported Ho Chi Minh, but the US proceeded to viciously attack these innocents for the next 40 years.

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Countries spy on one another. If you want to characterize it as “utter contempt” because you hate the way America behaves…that is your right. I do not feel that way.

We're all aware, Frank, that you have incredible difficulty viewing anything but US propaganda - note that you're mouthing it here, AGAIN. The historical record is abundantly clear.

The US has not been a force for good over the last century. In every instance, it has acted as greedy, rapacious pirates, never caring at all for the people of the numerous countries the US has ILLEGALLY invaded.

"Over 200 times we [the USA] have put our forces into other countries to force them to our will. We've been in the business of being a country for about 200 years. We've spent fifty years at war, ... ." - John Stockwell

We did however send our troops to fight your wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

And I would expect our government...and any competent government...to take that kind of possibility into consideration and take steps to counter it if possible.

It is the law of the jungle in which we live.

Well...you are allowed to "believe" whatever you choose to "believe." If you want to think most countries do not spy on other countries...do so. I think you are wrong.

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And I would expect our government...and any competent government...to take that kind of possibility into consideration and take steps to counter it if possible.

It is the law of the jungle in which we live.

Don't just vote Frank down, folks. Address what is his, either rank propaganda or his abysmal ignorance.

Frank, at the end of WWII, the allied powers, though really, the show was mostly the US's, set down a large body of laws in order to try the Axis powers.

I know that you are aware of them and that with just the slightest effort, you could do some research which would illustrate that your argument is completely vacuous.

I know that you are also aware that the US has spoken out forcefully over the years since WWII about how important these US established laws are to prevent exactly what the US pretended, and pretend, it wants to prevent, your "law of the jungle".

You could easily research this too, considering just what an effective editorial writer you are.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Well...you are allowed to "believe" whatever you choose to "believe." If you want to think most countries do not spy on other countries...do so. I think you are wrong.

Certainly countries spy on other countries.

But I don't believe, like ehBeth, that many countries spy in embassies of their allies. Or collect all communication of their allies' citizens.

Instead of posting such a long script which will put off a lot of people,

It's truly amazing how so many allow you to get away with such blatant lying, such transparent propaganda, such incredible hypocrisy, Frank.

You know, Frank, many of us have JTT on ignore and you insist on quoting him.

If people want to see what he or she said that you are referencing, they can simply click on the @jtt letters (green? blue?) at the top of your reply post.

That's what the link is for, seeing to who you are replying and what the person said.

You know, Frank, many of us have JTT on ignore and you insist on quoting him.