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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2013 05:54 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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In any case, I would love the opportunity to visit your pub with you one day...and see the place for myself.


No you wouldn't. The toilets are so far below the standards of American toilets that I do believe you might faint clean away.


I've been in (and worked in) bars with toilets that would stop a pig in its tracks. I think I could handle that aspect of the trip.

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And if you opened your gob opining that to acknowledge what you do not know is a display of strength the landlord would likely throw a bucket of water over you. The very last thing landlords want is a serried rank of strong men acknowledging what they do not know.


Ahhh...I am sure I can handle any landlord; bar owner; or bar manager.

I don't want to brag, but I was the Director of Instruction of the largest bartending school in the world...in Manhattan. There was a day when I knew between 200 and 300 bartenders or bar managers in major bars in New York City; they knew me by name; and I guarantee that I could ask for "the usual" and been served Johnny Black on the rocks with a splash and a lemon peel garnish.

(Ummm...perhaps I did want to brag.)

We'd have a ball over a few brews, Spendius. And I'd probably talk the landlord into joining us for a few.

Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2013 05:56 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

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I have to repeat it again, because you obviously do not get it.
It's not for me alone that you repeat yourself ad nauseam, it's for everybody and on every subject... As evidenced all over A2K.

See? Told you you were a liar.


I am not a liar. You are someone who needs to call people "liar"...and you seem to get a particular kick out of calling me one.

I get a bigger kick out of watching you do it. Wink
JTT
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2013 06:12 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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I am not a liar. You are someone who needs to call people "liar"...and you seem to get a particular kick out of calling me one.

I get a bigger kick out of watching you do it.


I see that you are up to your old shenanigans, Frank.

Frank repeats his excuses for himself as readily as he repeats his excuses for US criminality.
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Olivier5
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2013 06:31 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Yaaada yada yada. So why are you repeating yourself then?...
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2013 04:56 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Yaaada yada yada. So why are you repeating yourself then?...



Because I choose to.
Olivier5
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2013 05:14 am
@Frank Apisa,
Good, so it's not compulsive or the result of senile dementia... It's self-inflicted.

And why oh why do you choose to?
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2013 05:22 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Good, so it's not compulsive or the result of senile dementia... It's self-inflicted.


Nothing being self-inflicted here, Olivier. You really have to get control of whatever is motivating you to post these kinds of posts.

Quote:

And why oh why do you choose to?


Because I do.
Olivier5
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2013 06:08 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Because I do.

I hadn't heard this reply since primary school.

Well, whatever the reason, it's pretty wasteful of your time and makes you look like a rambling fool. Sorry for being blunt but I thought you needed to know.
Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2013 06:22 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

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Because I do.

I hadn't heard this reply since primary school.

Well, whatever the reason, it's pretty wasteful of your time and makes you look like a rambling fool. Sorry for being blunt but I thought you needed to know.



Yeah, I am sure you are concerned that I am looking "like a rambling fool." Just as I am sure you are "sorry for being blunt." (All said with heavy sarcasm!)

Thank you for your "concern", Olivier, but I am not worried about wasting my time. I effort to get through to people like you.

Earlier, you wrote: “It's becoming clear that the evedropping goes way beyond security issues and is use to gain confidential diplomatic and commercial information from allies. “

I am saying that is NOT becoming clear at all. That is negative wishful thinking on your part. And the fact that I have called that to your attention several times (including here again) seems to be the real reason you are bothered by my repeating it…not concern for how I am coming across.

But the notion was inventive on your part…and I got a kick out of it.

You have a nice day, Olivier.
spendius
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2013 06:43 am
@Frank Apisa,
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I don't want to brag, but I was the Director of Instruction of the largest bartending school in the world ...


A school for servants. Training people to jump to it when one of the tosspots shows signs of needing service.

No wonder you give us ****. It's a catharsis for all that bottled up frustration caused by having to be nice to a load of pissed-up wankers like me.

I often reprove a barmaid for saying "thank you" when she serves me. "It is I, my dear, who ought to be thanking you", I tell them. Usually offering a compliment. It's the best way to get served quickly on busy nights.

They are usually taken aback mind you but I suppose it's all that training in schools like the one you mention only on a smaller scale. You can trust the US of A to be the world centre of excellence in servility because there are so many Americans these days who feel special, having been handed a major in an 'ology and the grandiose visions of spendour it necessarily calls forth in the IQ range which has been treated in that fashion.

When I think of it there might be an explanation here for your agnosticism. A bartender cannot afford to take sides.

I wonder what Mr Snowden is doing right now.

Have you decided yet whether to guess that the affair is not a put up job? A stunt. I think it might be a Russian or Chinese intelligence expert's first guess.
spendius
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2013 06:46 am
@Olivier5,
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I hadn't heard this reply since primary school.


That's stretching poetic licence further than it is supposed to go Olivier.
NSFW (view)
spendius
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2013 06:54 am
@spendius,
An interesting interview took place on Newsnight yesterday with the Minister of Defence. He admitted that in the IT wars it might be necessary to recruit the best hackers into the public service irrespective of their criminal records, their haircuts, their mode of dress and their personal habits. A football manager's general approach with a caveat regarding the likes of Senor Balotelli.

It was said that this IT war is not the sort of war that can be won on the playing fields of Eton.
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Olivier5
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2013 08:22 am
@spendius,
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That's stretching poetic licence further than it is supposed to go Olivier.

No, in Marseille it ain't.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2013 10:06 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
I don't want to brag, but I was the Director of Instruction of the largest bartending school in the world ...


A school for servants. Training people to jump to it when one of the tosspots shows signs of needing service.

No wonder you give us ****. It's a catharsis for all that bottled up frustration caused by having to be nice to a load of pissed-up wankers like me.

I often reprove a barmaid for saying "thank you" when she serves me. "It is I, my dear, who ought to be thanking you", I tell them. Usually offering a compliment. It's the best way to get served quickly on busy nights.

They are usually taken aback mind you but I suppose it's all that training in schools like the one you mention only on a smaller scale. You can trust the US of A to be the world centre of excellence in servility because there are so many Americans these days who feel special, having been handed a major in an 'ology and the grandiose visions of spendour it necessarily calls forth in the IQ range which has been treated in that fashion.

When I think of it there might be an explanation here for your agnosticism. A bartender cannot afford to take sides.

I wonder what Mr Snowden is doing right now.

Have you decided yet whether to guess that the affair is not a put up job? A stunt. I think it might be a Russian or Chinese intelligence expert's first guess.


Yo...Spendius. I'm glad you got some of that frustration out.

So...did you see the movie Knight and Day?
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2013 10:38 am
By Richard Cohen

Quote:
What are we to make of Edward Snowden? I know what I once made of him. He was no real whistleblower, I wrote, but “ridiculously cinematic” and “narcissistic” as well. As time has proved, my judgments were just plain wrong. Whatever Snowden is, he is curiously modest and has bent over backward to ensure that the information he has divulged has done as little damage as possible. As a “traitor,” he lacks the requisite intent and menace..
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But (and?) I am at a loss to say what should be done with Snowden. He broke the law, this is true. He has been chary with his information, but he cannot know all its ramifications and, anyway, the government can’t allow anyone to decide for himself what should be revealed. That, too, is true. So Snowden is, to my mind, a bit like John Brown, the zealot who intensely felt the inhumanity of slavery and broke the law in an attempt to end the practice. My analogy is not neat — Brown killed some people — but you get the point. I suppose Snowden needs to be punished but not as a traitor. He may have been technically disloyal to America but not, after some reflection, to American values.

over time snowden has by his actions proven his worst critics wrong.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2013 10:42 am
@hawkeye10,
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He may have been technically disloyal to America but not, after some reflection, to American values.


That's an oxymoron. He was a Loyal American defending American Values.

There's no two way about that!
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BillRM
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2013 10:45 am
@hawkeye10,
Mr. Snowdon at great personal cost to himself allow the citizens of the US to know what is being done in their name including the breaking of the Constitution.
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spendius
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2013 10:59 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Yo...Spendius. I'm glad you got some of that frustration out.


That's just something to say. You're obviously not educated enough to know that making efforts to please the punter was once a heresy. And when you view the spectacle of the advertising industry today, and the **** it has dropped us in, it is not hard to see why.

Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 22 Oct, 2013 11:05 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

By Richard Cohen

Quote:
What are we to make of Edward Snowden? I know what I once made of him. He was no real whistleblower, I wrote, but “ridiculously cinematic” and “narcissistic” as well. As time has proved, my judgments were just plain wrong. Whatever Snowden is, he is curiously modest and has bent over backward to ensure that the information he has divulged has done as little damage as possible. As a “traitor,” he lacks the requisite intent and menace..
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.
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But (and?) I am at a loss to say what should be done with Snowden. He broke the law, this is true. He has been chary with his information, but he cannot know all its ramifications and, anyway, the government can’t allow anyone to decide for himself what should be revealed. That, too, is true. So Snowden is, to my mind, a bit like John Brown, the zealot who intensely felt the inhumanity of slavery and broke the law in an attempt to end the practice. My analogy is not neat — Brown killed some people — but you get the point. I suppose Snowden needs to be punished but not as a traitor. He may have been technically disloyal to America but not, after some reflection, to American values.

over time snowden has by his actions proven his worst critics wrong.


No he hasn't.

Some of his critics are re-thinking their opinions...and coming to refined opinions on the matter.

Richard Cohen, for instance, is still ambivalent about how to handle the matter.

For myself...I have NEVER seen Edward Snowden to be a traitor...and I think that is over-reaching on the government's part. There may be tactical reasons for including the "traitor" and "espionage" element right now...but I think at some point that will be dropped.

But he did steal secret documents...and reveal the contents.

He should be tried on those charges.

I hope that is what happens.

The notion that he is a hero is an absurdity in my opinion.
 

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