Snowdon is a dummy

@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Wake up Frank. They are targeting business people too... And trust is necessary between allies. You guys are fast losing whatever trust you had left.

But keep focusing on the trivial, would you? You're like a fish out of water when you deal with the big picture. Snowden's 'fair trial' is what you should be wanking about...

Wake up yourself, Olivier.

You said "It's becoming clear that the evedropping goes way beyond security issues and is use to gain confidential diplomatic and commercial information from allies."

I responded, "It is not "becoming clear" at all...and most likely is not happening. Why do you make stuff like this up?"

I repeat...it is not "becoming clear" at all...and most likely is not happening. Why do you make stuff like this up.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
It is not "becoming clear" at all...and most likely is not happening. Why do you make stuff like this up?

I agree that it is not "clear" - because certainly no government or agency would confess such.

But certainly it can be "most likely".

The assertion was that it is becoming clear. I see very little to support such a thing.

This seems primarily to be an intelligence gathering operation. But if you people want to make it into a grassy knoll...nothing anyone says will stop you from doing so.

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@Olivier5,

the entire economic system is breaking down over lack of trust....these guys who are always going after their enemies by hook or crook seem to not understand the big picture. we all suffer as civilization degrades.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

..and trust is not a necessary ingredient in diplomacy. If it were...no diplomacy would ever get done.

Trust is the single most precious commodity in diplomacy.

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@Frank Apisa,

Quote:

I repeat...it is not "becoming clear" at all...and most likely is not happening. Why do you make stuff like this up.

What obtuse faked innocence.

If the keys are there to tap the busy little fingers of nosey-parkers will be tapping them. On that you may rest assured and quite assuredly so. One doesn't even need evidence. It's self evident.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

This seems primarily to be an intelligence gathering operation.

Yes. I didn't say anything different.
Espionage conducted for commercial purposes instead of purely national security is a form of "intelligence gathering operation" as well.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
..and trust is not a necessary ingredient in diplomacy. If it were...no diplomacy would ever get done.

Trust is the single most precious commodity in diplomacy.

Yeah, sure! (Said with heavy sarcasm!)

My guess is that the vast majority of diplomacy is conducted between parties who have name near NO trust for each other.

But this is another distraction...as is all the talk about the motivation for the spying (which seems more likely to me to be a need for intelligence than that other nonsense.)

The fact is that Snowden apparently has broken several laws in the United States...and it is, in my opinion, imperative for America to try him on those charges.

Apparently you disagree, Walter. Nothing I can do about that. I continue to respect your opinions despite this disagreement.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
This seems primarily to be an intelligence gathering operation.

Yes. I didn't say anything different.
Espionage conducted for commercial purposes instead of purely national security is a form of "intelligence gathering operation" as well.

If you honestly think the intelligence gathering is being done primarily for commercial purposes rather than national security...go with it.

I do not...and I see no compelling reason to suppose it is the way you think.

But I certainly would love to read anything that indicates "it is becoming clear" that it is.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Quote:
I repeat...it is not "becoming clear" at all...and most likely is not happening. Why do you make stuff like this up.

What obtuse faked innocence.

If the keys are there to tap the busy little fingers of nosey-parkers will be tapping them. On that you may rest assured and quite assuredly so. One doesn't even need evidence. It's self evident.

Spendius...I had a bottle of a great beer night before last...that had a picture of what looked like an English Pub on its label.

I thought of you...and smiled.

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@Frank Apisa,

Did it look like this?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/16/article-2130366-129DF74B000005DC-725_964x565.jpg

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Did it look like this?

No, Izzy. Not even sure it was an English Pub. But it looked like one. And I cannot remember the name of the beer.

I'll try to find out.

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@izzythepush,

That isn't really a good post photo, just two days after the Festival of Englishness has been celebrated ... Wink

But have a beer on me (Frank and spendi as well)

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@Walter Hinteler,

I used to drink here.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/resources/images/1668152.jpg?type=articlePortrait

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@Walter Hinteler,

I'll take the big one, and the two smaller ones can be fought over by Frank and spendi. Mr. Green

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@Frank Apisa,

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But I certainly would love to read anything that indicates "it is becoming clear" that it is.

That's a real laugh, Frank. You run fast and far from anything that causes you the slightest bit of cognitive dissonance.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

That isn't really a good post photo, just two days after the Festival of Englishness has been celebrated ...

But have a beer on me (Frank and spendi as well)

Gotta ask. Is this an English Pub...or a German representation of one?

It looks super...no matter which.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I used to drink here.

Wow!

Kinda a play on half-timber architecture...played out with different materials.

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@Frank Apisa,

Remember, Frank, Izzy invited you over to Merry Ole. He says he has a spare bedroom, wink wink, nudge nudge now that his daughter is gone. It'll just be the two of you sharing a cozy little fire and the odd pint or two.

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@Frank Apisa,

It's very urban, and has a bit of a reputation of a music venue.

http://nationalbritrock.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/img_9538.jpg?w=640

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@izzythepush,

The Joiners! Sounds like a great place.

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