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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
RABEL222
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 03:31 pm
@BillRM,
Its your wonderful constitutional government that allows the banks, and the health business, and all the dot com businesses to spy on you so they can make more money. MONEY is the only thing business and the politicians care about and until you see that they are all going to continue to screw you blind. Your wonderful businesses started the spying. And continue to do so right now.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 04:18 pm
Thinking the right to pivacy is sacrosanct is like thinking the right to own slaves is!

The supposed "right to privacy" has never been sacrosanct...and never will be. Fact is, the supposed "right to privacy" is impossible to protect...and for all intents and purposes it is gone.

It is not that big a loss...and the people who think it can stay in existence are dreamers.

Folks...it truly is not that big a deal. Making a big fuss over it is more for show than anything else.
BillRM
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 04:19 pm
@RABEL222,
Banks and businesses can not jail you or do other things under the color of the law such as placing you on a no fly list.

Nor can they issue secret orders that demand that other firms aid them in spying on you.
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BillRM
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 04:22 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Folks...it truly is not that big a deal. Making a big fuss over it is more for show than anything else.


I know you would be just as happy under a police state but most of us prefer to try to hold our so call leaders feet to the fire to force them to follow their oaths to defend and protect the constitution.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 05:32 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Folks...it truly is not that big a deal. Making a big fuss over it is more for show than anything else.


I know you would be just as happy under a police state but most of us prefer to try to hold our so call leaders feet to the fire to force them to follow their oaths to defend and protect the constitution.


No...I would not be happy under a police state, Bill. But don't sing the "I'd rather be dead than red" song to me. There is plenty of room between "dead" and "red"...there are other choices.

Anyway...one way to protect reasonable freedom...is to understand that giving up some personal "rights" is a path to greater freedom.

Try to reason it out.

It has been so throughout history.
BillRM
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 05:45 pm
@Frank Apisa,
There is no end point once you started yielding to government that does not wish to follow the constitution.

A little freedom lost will turn into no freedom as fast as those in the government can arranged it.

We can not have a free people as they might used that freedom to vote us out of power.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 06:34 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

There is no end point once you started yielding to government that does not wish to follow the constitution.


The Constitution grants "government" lots of leeway to do things that you want to consider "not following the Constitution." Many of the things you are raging about, Bill, are not only permitted by the Constitution, arguably it DEMANDS it of “government.” “Government" is supposing some of the things that bother you so much are being done in pursuit of providing for the common defense…you know, as outlined in the Preamble.



Quote:
A little freedom lost will turn into no freedom as fast as those in the government can arranged it.


Really!

I don't think so.

And I do not share your fear of government.



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We can not have a free people as they might used that freedom to vote us out of power.


That makes no sense as worded, Bill. Be more careful...and say what you actually mean to say.
JTT
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 06:40 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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And I do not share your fear of government.


Governments that have killed millions upon millions of innocents just to steal their wealth. You must not share peoples' fear of mobsters then either, Frank.
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 07:25 pm
@JTT,
why not fear a government that continually lies to us, violates its authority as is violates the Constitution, and has shredded the justice system in order to more easily satisfy its will?

not fearing the government would appear to be a mark of insanity.
JTT
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 08:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
why not fear a government that continually lies to us, violates its authority as is violates the Constitution, and has shredded the justice system in order to more easily satisfy its will?

not fearing the government would appear to be a mark of insanity.


A few rousing rounds of "government by the people, of the people, for the people" will make you all feel better, then you can go back to grazing.
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 09:15 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
why not fear a government that continually lies to us, violates its authority as is violates the Constitution, and has shredded the justice system in order to more easily satisfy its will?

not fearing the government would appear to be a mark of insanity.

A few rousing rounds of "government by the people, of the people, for the people" will make you all feel better, then you can go back to grazing.

You might have noticed that when ever I bring up systemic failures of the "justice" system Firefly's go-to response is "we are the government so everything by definition must be fine".

Ya right....pull the other leg, it plays Jingle Bells! (line from About Last Night)
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RABEL222
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 10:12 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Billrm wrote.
We can not have a free people as they might used that freedom to vote us out of power.

I think he stated his republican belief quite well. To paraphrase him he said take the vote away from the people so they cant vote us out of power. Just what the republicans and tea bagers are doing today.
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BillRM
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 07:18 am
Quote:


http://dailycaller.com/?p=3831483


Defense Department guide calls Founding Fathers ‘extremist’
4:22 PM 08/23/2013


A Department of Defense teaching guide meant to fight extremism advises students that rather than “dressing in sheets” modern-day radicals “will talk of individual liberties, states’ rights, and how to make the world a better place,” and describes 18th-century American patriots seeking freedom from the British as belonging to “extremist ideologies.”

The guide comes from documents obtained by Judicial Watch and is authored by the Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute, a DoD-funded diversity training center.

Under a section titled “extremist ideologies,” the document states, “In U.S. history, there are many examples of extremist ideologies and movements. The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule and the Confederate states who sought to secede from the Northern states are just two examples.”

Besides a brief reference to 9/11 and another to the Sudanese civil war, the guide makes no mention of Islamic extremism.

The guide also repeatedly tells readers to use the Southern Poverty Law Center as a resource in identifying hate groups. The SPLC has previously come under fire for its leftist bias and tendency to identify conservative organizations such as the American Family Association as hate groups.

In August 2012, an attempted terrorist attack occurred at the Family Research Council, another conservative organization the SPLC has branded a hate group. FRC president Tony Perkins said the SPLC’s designation prompted the attack, stating the gunman “was given a license to shoot … by organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center.”

In a statement, Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton slammed the Department of Defense documents for what he described as their bias against conservatives.

“The Obama administration has a nasty habit of equating basic conservative values with terrorism. And now, in a document full of claptrap, its Defense Department suggests that the Founding Fathers, and many conservative Americans, would not be welcome in today’s military,” said Fitton. ”And it is striking that some the language in this new document echoes the IRS targeting language of conservative and Tea Party investigations. After reviewing this document, one can’t help but worry for the future and morale of our nation’s armed forces.”

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Tags: Department of Defense


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/23/defense-department-guide-calls-founding-fathers-extremist/#ixzz2d54TWfuL
revelette
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 07:30 am
@BillRM,
I am puzzled on what this has got to do with "Snowdon is a dummy."

revelette
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 07:37 am
ProPublica Joins NSA Chase

BillRM
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 07:50 am
@revelette,
It showing how little respect that the government that is wielding the power of the NSA have for the rights and freedoms of the American people and who are willing to label any group that tend to support the constitution as being hate groups down to even the founding fathers.
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JTT
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 08:34 am
@BillRM,
Department of Defense is a terrible misnomer.

It's really Department of Armed Aggression & Terrorism Against Poor Nations

Quote:
and describes 18th-century American patriots seeking freedom from the British as belonging to “extremist ideologies.”


You can't argue with that. That was a terrorist action against the legitimate government of the day. It was covered up by all manner of flowery language but it wasn't able to cover up the criminal nature of the people.
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JTT
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 08:37 am
@revelette,
Quote:
I am puzzled on what this has got to do with "Snowdon is a dummy."


I'm surprised that there aren't more asking for forgiveness for suggesting such a ludicrous notion. Snowden counts as a real hero among a small group of Americans who are true patriots.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 10:08 am
@revelette,
The Guardian has published some questions and answers:
Reporting the NSA spying revelations: Q&A with Guardian editors
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 10:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
NSA leaks: David Cameron's response is intimidation, says world press body
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The World Association of Newspapers and News Publishers (WAN-IFRA) has written to the prime minister over the government's "deeply regrettable" response to files leaked by the National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden.

The body, which represents 18,000 publications from 3,000 companies, condemned officials for their "symbolic" attempt to restrict reporting by destroying computer hard drives held by the Guardian.
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