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@JPB,

Insurance companies used medical information to refuse insurance protection to people with physical problems for one thing. If I researched it I am sure I could find many more examples.

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@revelette,

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You know I can accept that people think this vast data spying is both unconstitutional and ineffective but I can't accept that government really has no interest in going after terrorist in the first place but wants to read our online chats and emails just because they are bunch of nosey roseys.

They are doing this because it gives the government ultimate control over each and every one of you. You have long been patsies for the crimes of US governments, Rev. This is just another couple of dozen nails in the coffin.

You keep going to the terrorist meme. It's a non-issue.

Don't you find it at all odd that the US can call US funded and trained terrorists "freedom fighters" when all they do is terrorize people from other countries but folks who give their lives to stop the US terrorizing their own people are called "terrorists"?

This disconnect from reality is stunning, unbelievable, phantasmagorical.

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@Thomas,

Than they should be fired. Not much chance of that in the good buddy system we have in law enforcement in this period of time.

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@BillRM,

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Then the personal lives of people in power that could be used in the same manner as Hoover used against presidents and congress members for a few generations.

Having something on a SC judge or two might be helpful to an administration also or knowing that someone such as Bill Gates in cheating on his wife for that matter.

That's just nonsense, Bill. The US government, the FBI, the CIA, every facet of government has never done anything untoward as you are suggesting here.

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@RABEL222,

They may have been. We don't know that those who intentionally violated the law are still employed at the NSA.

I'm more concerned about the redress of the tens of thousands of individuals who have already been identified , but not notified, in the FISA rulings that had their private communications illegally searched. I think these people should be notified just as a bank or store will notify you if your credit card or other information has been hacked. Those people can then decide for themselves if it's ok with them (govt's mea culpa accepted) or find some redress in open court.

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@RABEL222,

And laws have been changed to prevent that from happening in the future.

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@RABEL222,

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Than they should be fired. Not much chance of that in the good buddy system we have in law enforcement in this period of time.

You've got that right, Rabel. US war criminals and US terrorists are lauded, given cushy jobs, pensions, ..., and the patriots like Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden, ... are looked down upon and worse.

How ******* mixed up is all that?

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@RABEL222,

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Than they should be fired.

LOL with something like 800,000 people having some accessed to the data it can not be control all that well.

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@JPB,

RABEL222 wrote:

Insurance companies used medical information to refuse insurance protection to people with physical problems for one thing.

JPB wrote:

And laws have been changed to prevent that from happening in the future.

How could they get those data without consent of the patients?
(Here, those data are my property. Besides, hospitals, doctors etc have stringent medical confidentiality = fine or prison, if they tell something without content.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

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How could they get those data

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"the only reason anyone treats data as a plural nowadays is to show that they know it started its life that way."

"The data are": How fetishism makes us stupid
January 1, 2013 @ 4:54 pm · Filed by Geoff Nunberg under Prescriptivist poppycock

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=4396

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@Walter Hinteler,

Insurance is a private enterprise here and as such they've been allowed to pick and choose who they'll cover. Part of the application process includes a full medical history. The ACA prevents that from continuing and will go into effect next year. I am currently uninsurable in the private ins market due to my stroke history.

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@JPB,

Glad to hear you'll be benefiting from the ACA. I've been an advocate for universal health care in the US; the very last bastion of care for its citizens in the developed countries. The GOP is going to try to stop funding for ACA by not approving the debt ceiling. Why people continue to support them by their votes is the biggest mystery of all time! Not approving the debt ceiling hurts everybody.

I like what Costa Rica has been doing for decades; no military, and universal health care for all!

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@JPB,

Private insurance companies here want those data as well - they can only get, what is told (written) by the customer.

They don't accept some previous illnesses (I'm not sure, if stroke would be one of those), but they must offer you at least all that what the mandatory health insurances offer.

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@cicerone imposter,

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I like what Costa Rica has been doing for decades; no military,

Pretty silly, isn't it, CI, to have a military when all that happens is the terrorists from the US swoop in and use that military to brutalize the citizens of these countries.

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@RABEL222,

The Corporate Roots of the NSA Spying Controversy

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Private insurance companies here want those data

Did you miss this, Walter?

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"the only reason anyone treats data as a plural nowadays is to show that they know it started its life that way."

"The data are": How fetishism makes us stupid
January 1, 2013 @ 4:54 pm · Filed by Geoff Nunberg under Prescriptivist poppycock

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=4396

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The first part of this Guardian report deals with an open letter, published by European newspaper editors. The second (copied below) is more US-related:

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Meanwhile it has emerged that the US government's efforts to determine which highly classified materials Snowden took from the NSA have been frustrated by the former contractor's sophisticated efforts to cover his digital trail.

The Associated Press reported that the US government investigation is examining whether Snowden was able to defeat safeguards established to deter people looking at information without proper permission by deleting or bypassing electronic logs.

In July, nearly two months after Snowden's earliest disclosures, the NSA director, Keith Alexander, declined to say whether he had established what Snowden had downloaded or how many NSA files he had taken with him.

The latest disclosure undermines the Obama administration's assurances to Congress and the public that the NSA surveillance programs cannot be abused because its spying systems are so aggressively monitored and audited.

Fears about government snooping are now a major concern for internet companies, which are examining measures to restrict external surveillance of people's online activity.

The Internet Engineering Task Force, a body that develops internet standards, has proposed a system in which communication between websites and browers would be shielded by encryption. The proposals, which are at an early stage, would make it harder for governments, companies and criminals to eavesdrop on people as they browse the web.

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@JPB,

The chance to sue the government for millions? Hmmm. I hadent thought of that aspect of the subject.

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@JPB,

Only if the republicans fail to outlaw the health care bill. If they succeed hold on to your ass. Many who have and who have had insurance will lose it because the insurance industry will deem them too expensive to cover.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I don't think you did miss it, Walter. You're just avoiding it like you avoid many difficult issues.

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