Snowdon is a dummy

@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

I have no idea of what you are saying here, Walter. I have not classified anything as evil at all.

I think it to be evil when someone "set[s] up a system where people planning to destroy our country can have safe communications withing their network".

ДИD SФMЗTHIЙG LIКЭ THIS LФФКS ЗVIL, TФФ! ДT LЗДST, IT'S SЦSPICIФЦS!

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

I have no idea of what you are saying here, Walter. I have not classified anything as evil at all.

I think it to be evil when someone "set[s] up a system where people planning to destroy our country can have safe communications withing their network".

ДИD SФMЗTHIЙG LIКЭ THIS LФФКS ЗVIL, TФФ! ДT LЗДST, IT'S SЦSPICIФЦS!

When you want to get serious and actually explain what in hell you are talking about, Walter, I will be delighted to discuss it with you.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Hmm. So you think that sending letters in envelopes is evil?
The USPS should only transport postcards?

Open offer to help set up communication links that can not be tap or trace by either the NSA or GCHQ.

The spying is only good for the population as a whole not anyone that will take the time to set up freely available software solutions.

Fighting terrorism is an excused to do mass spying and that all it is.

There you go, Everyone.

If someone like Bill here can easily defeat encoachment by NSA or GCHQ...how intrusive can it be?

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Here is a very small beginning of the list of open source software that will stop NSA in it evil tracks and the more we learn about the NSA the more evil it look to me and far more of a danger then middle east Terrorists to our freedom and liberty.

Torproject.org
Truecrypt.org
pgpi.org
https://crypto.cat

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@Frank Apisa,

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If someone like Bill here can easily defeat encoachment by NSA or GCHQ...how intrusive can it be?

I did not created this software solutions a lot of very bright men and women who are experts on the internet and encryption including a project that begin by the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory before being put into the public domain.

An as few people are using these tools the NSA spying is very intrusive indeed for the bulk of the population but almost completely worthless in fighting aware terrorists.

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@Frank Apisa,

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You think you can do better...do the things necessary to get elected...and do better.

I considered that at one time and began to be active in my local government. There's a difference between governing and politics. I may be able to do a decent job of governing but I have no stomach for politics.

That said, the 'put up or shut up' response you appear to support is another example of the hyperbole I see more and more in your posts. There is always a middle way.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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If someone like Bill here can easily defeat encoachment by NSA or GCHQ...how intrusive can it be?

I did not created this software solutions a lot of very bright men and women who are experts on the internet and encryption including a project that begin by the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory before being put into the public domain.

An as few people are using these tools the NSA spying is very intrusive indeed for the bulk of the population but almost completely worthless in fighting aware terrorists.

But, Bill, you had the genius to discover it...and to share it with the A2K world. So…if you can come up with something that can defeat all this spying that people are so in a snit about…imagine what someone with even more intellectual acuity than you might do.

They are stewing over a pot boiling over…when the solution is as easy as "shut off the burner." The problem them are stewing over…is not a problem.

Right?

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

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You think you can do better...do the things necessary to get elected...and do better.

I considered that at one time and began to be active in my local government. There's a difference between governing and politics. I may be able to do a decent job of governing but I have no stomach for politics.

But they are an integral part of the whole.

If you are not willing to do what is needed to get elected...what good are your ideas? And how much attention should be paid to your constant harping about the people who are willing to do it?

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That said, the 'put up or shut up' response you appear to support is another example of the hyperbole I see more and more in your posts. There is always a middle way.

No hyperbole here. (You may simply have chosen the wrong insulting word!) Tell us about what you consider the "middle way."

Let's discuss the "middle way" as you see it.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

If one of the gripes you have with them is that they are not allowing enough transparancy for you and our enemies...vote 'em out.

You can't vote politicians out without voting other politicians in. The trouble with opaque, unaccountable executive agencies is that you have no way of telling whether the politicians you're voting in are doing a better job when elected. At the moment, neither part of the Democrublican cartel offers to increase the level of transparency in government. So until third parties become viable, we're stuck with whistleblowers like Manning and Snowden. Think of them as Benedict Arnolds --- with us, the people, in the role of England.

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Footnote Snowden is chatting with his family using cryptocat or similar software and the terrorists English language magazine Inspire cover what is under the hood pgp email/message encrypted software those the terrorists had placed their own name and interface over it.

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@Frank Apisa,

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spying that people are so in a snit about…imagine what someone with even more intellectual acuity than you might do.

True and that my point the spying of NSA is worthless as far as terrorists are concern and they are lying to us otherwise however it is wonderful to do mass spying on the population in general.

We are tearing up the constitution for no good reason as far as protecting ourselves from foreign threats.

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
If one of the gripes you have with them is that they are not allowing enough transparancy for you and our enemies...vote 'em out.

You can't vote politicians out without voting other politicians in. The trouble with opaque, unaccountable executive agencies is that you have no way of telling whether the politicians you're voting in are doing a better job when elected. At the moment, neither part of the Democrublican cartel offers to increase the level of transparency in government. So until third parties become viable, we're stuck with whistleblowers like Manning and Snowden. Think of them as Benedict Arnolds --- with us, the people, in the role of England.

Well if that is so, Thomas, I wonder why you are not advocating a dictatorship?

Or a move to another planet where a different species might provide better leadership?

You are part of the segment of society that constantly finds fault with “government”…but you have no viable alternative.

Oh…you would vote in "third parties" like the Greens…and of course, the money people will never be able to buy the Greens the way you think they have bought the Democrats and Republicans. (Sarcasm!)

The candidates of the Greens will never succumb to temptation…will not think of and tend to their personal interests at times when doing so will be even marginally to the detriment of the good of the many. Right? (More sarcasm!)

I been involved in “government”…and worked my butt off for the people. I’ve seen many decent officials who have worked that hard also. And I’ve seen people like you who can’t wait to tell everyone about the disdain and contempt in which you hold people involved in government.

What could I tell ya, Thomas?

Pissing and moaning produces piss! It gets nothing done.

I can think of several ways to descibe the thinking that comes up with "Third parties are the solution"...but I've sworn off that kind of stuff.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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spying that people are so in a snit about…imagine what someone with even more intellectual acuity than you might do.

True and that my point the spying of NSA is worthless as far as terrorists are concern and they are lying to us otherwise however it is wonderful to do mass spying on the population in general.

We are tearing up the constitution for no good reason as far as protecting ourselves from foreign threats.

They are not "tearing up the Constitution."

And since what they are doing is not a real threat to privacy rights...why make a fuss over it?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

. If you think there honestly is a cabal of rich people who are pulling the strings...then you are either right or wrong.

I never suggested it was that organised, more of a general trend.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
. If you think there honestly is a cabal of rich people who are pulling the strings...then you are either right or wrong.

I never suggested it was that organised, more of a general trend.

You are correct, Izzy...you never did.

And I agree that it is a general trend.

I also think it has been a general trend throught recorded history.

I cannot think of a time when the rich did not dominate the scene. Even in the Soviet Union...the upper echelon of the Party became the rich...and the rich dominated the scene.

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@Frank Apisa,

I can't speak for America, but things were a lot more equal in the UK before Thatcherism. The trend can be countered to a degree.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I can't speak for America, but things were a lot more equal in the UK before Thatcherism. The trend can be countered to a degree.

Well, things appeared to be a lot fairer with a seemingly smaller chasm between the bottom and the top.

But the power of the top money really has never been shared equally with the less monies...not here in America, and I think even more so across the pond.

Money rules. It sucks, but money rules.

One of reasons I'd like to see the divide be lessened.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Well if that is so, Thomas, I wonder why you are not advocating a dictatorship?

To me you are the one who seems to favor a dictatorship of a secret government acting with no accounting to an unknowing public a public who every actions is being spy on.

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@Frank Apisa,

I think this extra surveillance benefits the rich, not ordinary Joes like you and me. We've recently had a very public scandal involving undercover police officers infiltrating non violent environmental groups, in some cases going so far as fathering children to preserve their cover.

The one 'crime' they did thwart was the occupation of a coal fired power station. The very worse case scenario was that it would be shut down for a couple of days. Who benefits from this heavy-handed approach? The rich multinationals.

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@Frank Apisa,

I have no idea why you think I'm trying to be insulting.

Regardless, let's take this to another thread. I'm going to be scarce for a few days but I'll be around. If you start it I'll come by. Otherwise, I'll start it when I have more time.

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