The Bible (a discussion)

@MontereyJack,

Yes, some oddball 'vanity cults' like the JW's etc like to pretend they "know" when the end of the world will be; it's just their way of feeding their egos because they like to think they know more than the rest of us poor dumb schmucks.
Needless to say, all their predictions fall flat.
True Christians know that NOBODY knows when the end of the world will be, because only God himself knows.. Smile

Jesus said- “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (Mark 13:30-32)

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or maybe it just keeps going because there's really no one there to end it.

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@MontereyJack,

Jesus gave some clues about the end of the world, for example "falling stars" could mean meteor showers, it should be quite a show so make sure your camcorder's charged up.. Smile

Jesus said- "Wars, rumours of wars, false christs, earthquakes, famines, persecutions, darkened sun and moon, falling stars, shaken planets.
Pray that this will not take place in winter, because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning until now, and never to be equaled again.
If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive.
Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come.
What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Watch!" (Mark ch 13)

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@Frank Apisa,

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Atheistic arguments are often the atheist's worst enemy!

Not only that but they are stupid as well because the vast majority of the people on earth have excited dopamines, depleted serotonin levels and the other asserted thingy, made up for the occasion, as are the other two, and, on a show of hands, can piss all over atheists on the point of who is here on earth and who isn't.

This is why atheists have such exaggerated inferiority complexes. And there is the masochistic rejection of euphoria which is understandable in the circumstances.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Christ never said that. People who lived many centuries later said that he said that. He wasn't that bright according to Mark

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@Wilso,

Wilso wrote:

Interesting that this Mr Sherlock thought it proper to use Rodin's Thinker in his logo... At something like 30, disgusted by his failure to sell or even show any of his works, and feeling guilty for his sister's death, Rodin tried to join a monastic order, the head of which recognised his talent and told him to not despair and go back to work...

Religions, including the catholic church, did many wrongs, but they also did a few things right. Art history is full of some of that. Atheists should IMO take a less crass attitude towards faith, because we owe to faith, and particularly to the CC as far as the West is concerned, a great deal of our culture's attention to art.

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@farmerman,

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Christ never said that. People who lived many centuries later said that he said that. He wasn't that bright according to Mark

I would disagree with that. In the same breath Jesus is (said to have) said that his generation would not pass before it happens. (Matthew 24. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.) This is so patently false that it's probably true he said it... If the gospels were totally redacted, the authors would not have written something as self-incriminating as that.

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Jesus said- "Wars, rumours of wars, false christs, earthquakes, famines, persecutions, darkened sun and moon, falling stars, shaken planets.
Pray that this will not take place in winter, because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning until now, and never to be equaled again.

Greaat. Sounds exactly like EVERY year since at least 2500BC.(well, maybe not false jesuses very year since then, but at least since 33AD, and probably the equivalent somebody who claimned they were some sort of new Messiah beofre then).

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@Olivier5,

I favor the Markian Priority (even though Mark used Matthew as his source, we aren't even sure who the "Matthew" of the Gospel was. Matthew the Apostle was known as Levi and there was never any certainty that he knew Greek. Levi was one of the Twelve but several scholars have discounted the name.
When was Matt written? was this forensically determined?

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More to the point, no copies of the so-called gospels exist which are any earlier than the early 4th century. Three centuries sure is a lot of time to edit the texts.

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@Setanta,

on point. Several of the historicity guys had taken apart the gospels for archaic terms and relative periods of thise terms and the "long AD" hypothesis seems to hold up .

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@farmerman,

Nothing certain can be said about the evangelists. Books attributed to them are at best following and expounding upon a tradition or kernel gospel they taught. Matthew is supposed to be the jewish side of the story. The quote is also present in Mark 13.30 and Luke 21:32.

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What an inordinate to-do is being performed around here just to prove that there is nothing disreputable about ignoring the teachings of the Church regarding sexual behaviour. It vastly over-inflates the importance of the indignant members concerned. What else could motivate such attenuated concern.

It is definitely not any interest in The Bible. Nobody can be said to have any interest in The Bible who it does not fascinate.

1 Chronicle 15--

28 Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the Lord with shouting, and with sound of the cornet, and with trumpets, and with cymbals, making a noise with psalteries and harps.

29 And it came to pass, as the ark of the covenant of the Lord came to the city of David, that Michal, the daughter of Saul looking out at a window saw king David dancing and playing: and she despised him in her heart.

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Romeo said: Jesus predicted the end of the world etc..
Farmerman said: Christ never said that. People who lived many centuries later said that he said that. He wasn't that bright according to Mark

You'd better post quotes to back yourself up mate or people might think you're just another fibbing atheist who makes things up as you go along.. Wink

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Olivier said: Jesus is (said to have) said that his generation would not pass before it happens-
Matthew 24. 34- "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.)"
This is so patently false that it's probably true he said it... If the gospels were totally redacted, the authors would not have written something as self-incriminating as that.

Good point; if the Bible really had been edited and prettied up over the centuries as atheists claim, they'd have certainly cut that bit out in case it confused people.
Fact is, the words "this generation" can mean several things, for example after describing the endworld catastrophes that were going to hit a future generation, "this generation" might refer to that future generation.
Alternatively, "this generation" might refer to all the human generations from cavemen to the end of the world in a collective sense.
Likewise it could refer to this generation of humans generated by the latest in a series of big bangs.

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Setanta said: no copies of the so-called gospels exist which are any earlier than the early 4th century

So what? When the first scriptures (Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian etc) began looking old, they were simply copied onto brandnew parchment good for another few hundred years.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Ehem, you don't have an idea how copies of books were made in pre-Gutenberg times, it seems.

Not commenting on the other non-sense of your response - only in past-Gutenberg times copying mistakes became less. And that says nothing about "editing".

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@Walter Hinteler,

Who's Gutenberg? Was he an Obersturmbannfuhrer in the SS Skull Division on the Russian front?
Before printing presses were invented, people had to copy stuff by hand, or are you saying they used photocopiers or burned new copies to disk?

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

More to the point, no copies of the so-called gospels exist which are any earlier than the early 4th century. Three centuries sure is a lot of time to edit the texts.

300 year game of Chinese whispers.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Frank Apisa said: The Bible seems like fiction...

Many people can't take in its scary startling revelations, so they retreat into their safe secure comfort zone of atheism and agnosticism under the bed, or seek refuge in crackpot cults.

Many people can look at it and say that it seems like fiction.

The truly frightened people can't. They are afraid to do so.

You can't...can you?

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