The Bible (a discussion)

Neo...THE POINT OF THE STORY IS THAT THE god IS REFUSING TO GIVE THEM THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL...OF RIGHT AND WRONG.

That is central to the story.
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If your god is anywhere near as "fair" as you suggest...you could easily acknowledge that the story of Adam and Eve in the garden...and the punishment meted out... is ABSURD.

Can it be that you just do not trust the god?

InfraBlue wrote:

. . . you do start with question begging because of this need to believe that you will never die. This is a poor position to begin an investigation of the veracity of the basis of your beliefs.

This is your assertion. I do not need to know any such thing any more than you or I need to know the truth.

blue wrote:

Or more precisely, some things may be explained by careful examination of your interpretations of what the Bible says to conform to your question begging, as in your example of what Genesis “really” says

I challenge any believer or naysayer to dispute the interpretations I have advanced. Don't see many believers willing to enter this arena, though.

You should be penitent at the altar rails thanking God you were not born in Ancient Rome.

Does anybody here fancy swapping places with a Roman Emperor? I certainly don't.

You made no case whatsoever. (Tautology for emphasis.)

You haven't the faintest idea of how to get to here from any point you want in old Rome in the absence of wishful thinking.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Neo...THE POINT OF THE STORY IS THAT THE god IS REFUSING TO GIVE THEM THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL...OF RIGHT AND WRONG.

That is central to the story.
. . .
If your god is anywhere near as "fair" as you suggest...you could easily acknowledge that the story of Adam and Eve in the garden...and the punishment meted out... is ABSURD.

Can it be that you just do not trust the god?

What you are descrbing is 2 people with perfect consciences, not needing to evaluate every moral choice who chose to discard the standards progammed by God

Sorry battery dead

You're not paying attention. I don't pay any attention to that lowlife scumbag Frank. This was the post of yours to which i was replying It would probably help at this point to remind you that i do not buy that ludicrous proposition that the bobble is a cohesive, self-referential whole. Therefore, there is no way you can convince me that any part of Genesis intentionally refers to a messiah to come.

My guess is you would do it in an instant. Especially if the emperor were Caligula or Nero.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Neo...THE POINT OF THE STORY IS THAT THE god IS REFUSING TO GIVE THEM THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL...OF RIGHT AND WRONG.

That is central to the story.
. . .
If your god is anywhere near as "fair" as you suggest...you could easily acknowledge that the story of Adam and Eve in the garden...and the punishment meted out... is ABSURD.

Can it be that you just do not trust the god?

What you are descrbing is 2 people with perfect consciences, not needing to evaluate every moral choice who chose to discard the standards progammed by God

Sorry battery dead

Frank Apisa wrote:

My guess is you would do it in an instant. Especially if the emperor were Caligula or Nero.

Oh, I don't know, Frank. Neither one of them ended up well. I certainly wouldn't want to be assassinated by my own body-guards or be forced to commit suicide. Marcus Aurelius now...maybe.

Yeah, I actually did.

The Romans executed the Man who pointed the way to getting here from there.

The Romans executed a man who had nothing whatever to do with establishing a religion which today bears a part of his name. His honorific, really, rather than his name. 'Christ' -- the 'annointed one' -- was no part of the name of Yeshua bar Yusup of Nazareth.

The Romans executed a man who had nothing whatever to do with establishing a religion which today bears a part of his name. His honorific, really, rather than his name. 'Christ' -- the 'annointed one' -- was no part of the name of Yeshua bar Yusup of Nazareth.

Who was it that said, "I knew Doris Day way back before she became a virgin"?

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Yeah, I actually did.

All you said was that you think we could have got to where we are centuries before we did if Christianity had not held us back.

That's it. You think we could have done. Nothing to back it up. Nothing even offered. No reason to offer anything because what FA thinks is the last word on everything.

You made the case that what you think is what you think. No other.

The Romans executed the Man who pointed the way to getting here from there.

You really should knock off trying to parlez tabloid journalese simplicities into philosophical cogitation.

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The Romans executed a man who had nothing whatever to do with establishing a religion which today bears a part of his name. His honorific, really, rather than his name. 'Christ' -- the 'annointed one' -- was no part of the name of Yeshua bar Yusup of Nazareth.

Clutch at straws Andy. But don't think some of us don't know you're doing it.

You're not paying attention. I don't pay any attention to that lowlife scumbag Frank. This was the post of yours to which i was replying It would probably help at this point to remind you that i do not buy that ludicrous proposition that the bobble is a cohesive, self-referential whole. Therefore, there is no way you can convince me that any part of Genesis intentionally refers to a messiah to come.

neologist wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

. . . you do start with question begging because of this need to believe that you will never die. This is a poor position to begin an investigation of the veracity of the basis of your beliefs.

This is your assertion. I do not need to know any such thing any more than you or I need to know the truth.

Well, you did write that, of course, the idea that God's promise of Genesis 1:28, that humans could live forever gave you reason to inquire deeply.

neologist wrote:

I challenge any believer or naysayer to dispute the interpretations I have advanced. Don't see many believers willing to enter this arena, though.

You have been continually challenged throughout the years on many threads here by both believers and non-believers. These challenges make it plain that your interpretations are merely one amongst various ones. That you don’t accept other interpretations is another matter.