Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 09:53 am
@RexRed,
Quote:
When science finds EVIDENCE no longer supports a theory they reverse their belief.

Unlike faith that believes with zero EVIDENCE...


Sciense IS about belief, as far as they want to dismiss it, deep down it really is a religion.!
RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 10:09 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

Quote:
When science finds EVIDENCE no longer supports a theory they reverse their belief.

Unlike faith that believes with zero EVIDENCE...


Sciense IS about belief, as far as they want to dismiss it, deep down it really is a religion.!


Science = belief WITH evidence

Religion = belief WITHOUT evidence

Long-Awaited Medical Study Questions the Power of Prayer
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 10:09 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Whatever indeed...
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 11:53 am
@Olivier5,
Try to understand the history of this thread in which logic has never prevailed.
giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 12:25 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Quote:
Sciense IS about belief,


No...it's about knowing.
Knowing is based on knowledge, gathering information, analyzation, experimentation, checks and balances and review.
Belief is the acceptance of some thought usually without any basis and is mostly based on a "feeling".
One is based on fact, the other emotion.
Herald
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 09:10 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

Quote:
Sciense IS about belief,

No...it's about knowing. Knowing is based on knowledge, gathering information, analyzation, experimentation, checks and balances and review.

Gathering information is a representation (generating beliefs in the mapping of the representation of the world)
Analyzing - is using the set of beliefs (about the math laws or whatever) that we trust in
Experimentation - acquiring new data (in our representation/ understanding of the world) and updating our beliefs (eventually)
Checks are belief revision - verification and validation of beliefs
Balances - this is some personal belief (from the personal understanding of the world) which most probably is corresponding to assessment in some other beliefs
Review - this is the top-design belief that somebody can judge the others on the grounds of the supreme self-opinion that he has about himself and his own understanding of the world ... based on personal beliefs.
giujohn wrote:
One is based on fact, the other emotion.

This is not for sure ... that the Religion is 'more emotional' than Science.
If one takes the statistics (only from this site) it can easily be seen how emotional, arrogant, haughty, supercilious, overweening and prevailing the so called atheists may be (on the grounds of the personal beliefs that their knowledge is not beliefs when it is based on personal experience ... which is also in question).
giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 09:19 pm
@Herald,
I dont believe I'm an atheist...I know. I dont believe that god does not exist, I know.
I dont believe that if I drop a rock it will fall to the earth, I know. Need I go on?
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 10:38 pm
http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/w561/hapkido1996/Religiosity_zps884ffe69.jpg

Why Atheists Are More Intelligent Than the Religious
RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 10:57 pm
You plug the plug into the wall socket and turn the knob and science says, "let there be light", and it works! No belief required.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 11:47 pm
@giujohn,
Quote:
No...it's about knowing.
Knowing is based on knowledge, gathering information, analyzation, experimentation, checks and balances and review.
Belief is the acceptance of some thought usually without any basis and is mostly based on a "feeling".
One is based on fact, the other emotion.


I know the standard fairy tale in which many people belief
it is ery simply not true.

Our 'science' is , like a religion. used as control tool.

It is what it is.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2014 11:49 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
Why Atheists Are More Intelligent Than the Religious

Nice!!

Ehhh you are sure this one is not biased??????????????

I am not sure.

And they call 'animistic bias” but at the same time they don't talk about the bias of evolution fundamental religionist, While we have seen. they are exttremely biased, to say the least!
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2014 12:03 am
So, Now it is clear, evolutions are extremely biased to a certain worldview from the beginning, there is no macro-evolution,even according to 'important' evolutionists, it is now clear that evolution is a religion all by itself, the evolutionhoax was founded by the "Lunar Society" of who the members even didn't believ this nonsense themselves.
It is a dangerous religion, because racism and eugenics can start from that religion. and that macro evolution is a mathematical impossibility.(see below)
Furthermore, evolutionreligion is not observable (takes too long) , not repeatable, etc. Hence it is no science.

Well, we have to be real, evolution isn't anything anymore, it never was of course.

It has to go, bye bye.

Quote:
The Mathematical Impossibility of Evolution

According to the most-widely accepted theory of evolution today, the sole mechanism for producing evolution is that of random mutation combined with natural selection. Mutations are random changes in genetic systems. Natural selection is considered by evolutionists to be a sort of sieve, which retains the "good" mutations and allows the others to pass away.

Since random changes in ordered systems almost always will decrease the amount of order in those systems, nearly all mutations are harmful to the organisms which experience them. Nevertheless, the evolutionist insists that each complex organism in the world today has arisen by a long string of gradually accumulated good mutations preserved by natural selection. No one has ever actually observed a genuine mutation occurring in the natural environment which was beneficial (that is, adding useful genetic information to an existing genetic code), and therefore, retained by the selection process. For some reason, however, the idea has a certain persuasive quality about it and seems eminently reasonable to many people—until it is examined quantitatively, that is!

For example, consider a very simple putative organism composed of only 200 integrated and functioning parts, and the problem of deriving that organism by this type of process. The system presumably must have started with only one part and then gradually built itself up over many generations into its 200-part organization. The developing organism, at each successive stage, must itself be integrated and functioning in its environment in order to survive until the next stage. Each successive stage, of course, becomes statistically less likely than the preceding one, since it is far easier for a complex system to break down than to build itself up. A four-component integrated system can more easily "mutate" (that is, somehow suddenly change) into a three-component system (or even a four-component non-functioning system) than into a five-component integrated system. If, at any step in the chain, the system mutates "downward," then it is either destroyed altogether or else moves backward, in an evolutionary sense.

Therefore, the successful production of a 200-component functioning organism requires, at least, 200 successive, successful such "mutations," each of which is highly unlikely. Even evolutionists recognize that true mutations are very rare, and beneficial mutations are extremely rare—not more than one out of a thousand mutations are beneficial, at the very most.

But let us give the evolutionist the benefit of every consideration. Assume that, at each mutational step, there is equally as much chance for it to be good as bad. Thus, the probability for the success of each mutation is assumed to be one out of two, or one-half. Elementary statistical theory shows that the probability of 200 successive mutations being successful is then (½)200, or one chance out of 1060. The number 1060, if written out, would be "one" followed by sixty "zeros." ]In other words, the chance that a 200-component organism could be formed by mutation and natural selection is less than one chance out of a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion! Lest anyone think that a 200-part system is unreasonably complex, it should be noted that even a one-celled plant or animal may have millions of molecular "parts."

The evolutionist might react by saying that even though any one such mutating organism might not be successful, surely some around the world would be, especially in the 10 billion years (or 1018 seconds) of assumed earth history. Therefore, let us imagine that every one of the earth's 1014 square feet of surface harbors a billion (i.e., 109) mutating systems and that each mutation requires one-half second (actually it would take far more time than this). Each system can thus go through its 200 mutations in 100 seconds and then, if it is unsuccessful, start over for a new try. In 1018 seconds, there can, therefore, be 1018/102, or 1016, trials by each mutating system. Multiplying all these numbers together, there would be a total possible number of attempts to develop a 200-component system equal to 1014 (109) (1016), or 1039 attempts. Since the probability against the success of any one of them is 1060, it is obvious that the probability that just one of these 1039 attempts might be successful is only one out of 1060/1039, or 1021.

All this means that the chance that any kind of a 200-component integrated functioning organism could be developed by mutation and natural selection just once, anywhere in the world, in all the assumed expanse of geologic time, [b]is less than one chance out of a billion trillion[/b]. What possible conclusion, therefore, can we derive from such considerations as this except that evolution by mutation and natural selection is mathematically and logically indefensible!


Let me repeat that so it will sink in

evolution by mutation and natural selection is mathematically and logically indefensible!





evolution by mutation and natural selection is mathematically and logically indefensible!




evolution by mutation and natural selection is mathematically and logically indefensible!
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2014 12:09 am
@RexRed,
Quote:
You plug the plug into the wall socket and turn the knob and science says, "let there be light", and it works! No belief required


That is not science of course that is technology! there is a difference.
A LOT of trial and error goes into that. Wink
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2014 12:34 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
. . . and science says, "let there be light", and it works! No belief required.
And some folks are impugned for anthropomorphizing their gods.

Oh, wait!
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2014 02:48 am
@giujohn,
Quote:
I dont believe I'm an atheist...I know. I dont believe that god does not exist, I know.
I dont believe that if I drop a rock it will fall to the earth, I know. Need I go on?


This one is really a bit stupid.You know god doesn't exits? ok, HOW?
I am not saying he does or doesn't, I want to know HOW you know what you think you know.
And the last sentence is laughable, what has that to do with anything?
Logicians call that an extremely wrong analogy!


ah well, what else is new?
FBM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2014 02:51 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Definitely very strongly biased in favor of data that is supported by empirical evidence and vetted through peer-reviewed critical reasoning, yes. Wink
Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2014 02:52 am
@FBM,
Quote:
Definitely very strongly biased in favor of data that is supported by empirical evidence and vetted through peer-reviewed critical reasoning, yes.


Good!

You agree then! Wink
FBM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2014 03:09 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

Quote:
Definitely very strongly biased in favor of data that is supported by empirical evidence and vetted through peer-reviewed critical reasoning, yes.


Good!

You agree then! Wink



I certainly do. Otherwise, we'd be believing just any old story some wingnut pulled out of his ass.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2014 03:25 am
Hey FBM you say you're a Former Buddhist Monk.
Former means "was", so we presume you ditched buddhism because you found out it was a crock..Smile
FBM
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2014 03:36 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Hey FBM you say you're a Former Buddhist Monk.
Former means "was", so we presume you ditched buddhism because you found out it was a crock..Smile


I think we've had this discussion before. Or maybe it was someone else. What am I, a former Buddhist or a former monk? You seem bent on validating the data I posted earlier. Wink
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