RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 01:21 pm
Dreams of Water
http://www.reverbnation.com/rexredmusicartist
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 01:24 pm
@RexRed,
Quote:
The puzzle piece missing is maybe there was a happenstance 'holiday' that occurred on maybe Wednesday (the last supper) that particular year that took preeminence over the usual Sabbath that week. Then that Sabbath was Passover too. Passover was on Saturday... Local feasts usually took preeminence over the usual Sabbath.


I am grateful for your patience with me, RexRed. I do not believe in gods and that is why I was so interested in your answers as I do respect your high intellect. I learned some time ago that the New Testament was written at least two centuries after the death of Jesus and that many hands contributed to the contents often contradicting each other.

Thank you for your understanding.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 01:37 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
I do not believe in gods
Doesn't it depend, MIT, on how one defines the term

It's pretty obvious that there are big gaps in our understanding of the Big Bang and everything thereafter and so one has to concede there's more to the Entire Megillah than the mere meaningless bouncing of particles and objects off one another. Let's suppose whatever this is, it's part of the natural course of events and subject to all the laws and limitations applying to matter and radiation

That is to say, it's not supernatural, if by that word you mean something that doesn't abide by physical laws, something physicists might label as impossible

Suppose eventually, however it turns out, it proves a largely abstract entity. Now you have to give it a name. What, "God"

It's purely up to you, MIT
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 01:37 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
If we had the original new testament it would still be ambiguous because it was built upon the old....
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 01:40 pm
@dalehileman,
Spaghetti monsters procreate and make lasagna...
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 01:50 pm
I have always been liking (loving) Jeremiah Wright. Check out "Nexus" by RexRed - http://www.reverbnation.com/rexredmusicartist/song/17555082-nexus
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 01:52 pm
@dalehileman,
Quote:
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
I do not believe in gods

Doesn't it depend, MIT, on how one defines the term

It's pretty obvious that there are big gaps in our understanding of the Big Bang and everything thereafter and so one has to concede there's more to the Entire Megillah than the mere meaningless bouncing of particles and objects off one another. Let's suppose whatever this is, it's part of the natural course of events and subject to all the laws and limitations applying to matter and radiation

That is to say, it's not supernatural, if by that word you mean something that doesn't abide by physical laws, something physicists might label as impossible

Suppose eventually, however it turns out, it proves a largely abstract entity. Now you have to give it a name. What, "God"

It's purely up to you, MIT


Your post is an interesting one, Dalehileman....something to think about.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 02:10 pm
@RexRed,
Quote:

If we had the original new testament it would still be ambiguous because it was built upon the old....


Agreed. Anyway, information was handed down by word of mouth and we know human nature and its emotions prone to subjectively embellish depending on so many varying influences.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 02:14 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
How could Jesus be a ransom for Adam if he was a God-man and pre-existed Adams's existence? Adam was not in most beliefs a God-man he was a human or man. One human sins and a God-man pays for it? Should your father pay for your sins? Once again ambiguity...
What gave you the idea that Jesus was God-man?

Sheesh! I'm gabberflasted. You don't believe the Bible, yet you are a trinitarian.

Adam had to be replaced by a perfect man. A man subject to our pains and temptations. How else could he provide a corresponding ransom? His pre human existence as described in Proverbs, Ch 8, and other places, is what he gave up in order to take human form.

No wonder you have so many straw men, Rex. You seem to have been raised in a christian haystack.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 02:16 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
. . . How could Jesus be the sacrificial lamb and be celebrating Passover with the disciples too?
Jesus died before the Passover day ended.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 02:19 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
Who burned the libraries of Alexandria and Ephesus? Notice how ONE book takes preeminence years later...? Many years later, how many books did Constantine destroy?
Surely the God who inspired the holy writings would have the power to preserve their integrity.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 02:22 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
If we had the original new testament it would still be ambiguous because it was built upon the old....
You need to back that one up, Rex. Otherwise its a hypothesis contrary to fact.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 02:23 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
Spaghetti monsters procreate and make lasagna...
Only when there is sufficient beer. Can't you get anything right, Rex?
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 06:59 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
Surely the God who inspired the holy writings would have the power to preserve their integrity.


You are not being intellectually honest are you?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 07:20 pm
@RexRed,
Quote:
I might add that, just because people choose to act out under the auspices of some imaginary God, that does not make this God real... Due to the radical and contradictory dogma of the religions it does provide many rational arguments against the existence of said God(s).


Who knows how it all started but if I were God I would be asking the same questions. Where did I come from, "was I created and so forth.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 07:46 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
I wrote:
Surely the God who inspired the holy writings would have the power to preserve their integrity.
You are not being intellectually honest are you?
Unsubstantiated statements = ad hominum attacks. Stand up and make your case, rl.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 10:03 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

reasoning logic wrote:
I wrote:
Surely the God who inspired the holy writings would have the power to preserve their integrity.
You are not being intellectually honest are you?
Unsubstantiated statements = ad hominum attacks. Stand up and make your case, rl.
Your statements of faith and biblical standards are they "substantiated' or straw men?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 10:09 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

RexRed wrote:
. . . How could Jesus be the sacrificial lamb and be celebrating Passover with the disciples too?
Jesus died before the Passover day ended.
And how many were crucified with Jesus two or four? Gr. "duo lesti" "duo kacorgi"
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 10:22 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

RexRed wrote:
If we had the original new testament it would still be ambiguous because it was built upon the old....
You need to back that one up, Rex. Otherwise its a hypothesis contrary to fact.
"Chosen people" God has been fired from the food network... Smile
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jun, 2013 10:42 pm
@dalehileman,
I think i would rather have a mother God, as long as she stays out of the kitchen... Smile
 

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