spendius
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2013 05:26 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
Good discussion here:


It might be better on here if you answered the question I asked you neo.
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2013 05:31 pm
@spendius,
I assumed your question to be rhetorical.
Are you somehow in favor of having your life under complete external control?
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2013 05:35 pm
@neologist,
I'm not sure I'm in favour of life with no control.
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2013 05:49 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
I'm not sure I'm in favour of life with no control.
Well, OK. To whom would you allow control?
Would you not prefer yourself?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2013 06:23 pm
@neologist,
Apparently Adam and Eve were not in favor of slavery to the biblical God either...
Herald
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2013 09:56 pm
@dalehileman,
I know why God is She in the Hebrew scripts ... but you don't know.
All these comes from the Legend of Osiris and the sky Goddess, mother of Osiris. Geb ... 12500 ago in Ancient Egypt.
If the legend is true and Mother Geb is actually the Visitor ... from the planet of Nebiru, Zeta Orion, this means that a former ILF has visited us and tried to legate their knowledge of their extinct civillization to us in order to save at least the knowledge from extinction and to give us all the chances to become a star civillization. Something like space mafia of the ILFs in the universe.
However in the capacity of being irredeemable retards we have understood nothing of the message ... incl. the today's interpretations.
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2013 09:59 pm
@Herald,
Thank you for your rendition of the scripts from planet Bork.
I thought they had been neutralized in the Ragzit Sector.
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2013 10:01 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
Apparently Adam and Eve were not in favor of slavery to the biblical God either...
To many, obedience is slavery. That's why good parents keep a close watch on 2 year olds.
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Herald
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2013 10:53 pm
@neologist,
RE: Planet Borg
Sorry, but I haven't watched Star Trek. My experience as a space specator of the movie interpretations of the problems of the universe starts directly with Star Wars.
Yet these things with the Egyptean pyramids are at least rather strange.
- Why should people that had hardly s.th. to eat and drink build up such monumental 'totalitarian' constructions?
- Where did the mania of the pharaohs for ethernal live come from?
- Why are the pyramids exact mapping of Orion ... and the Great Pyramid points to Zeta Orion ... at the time?
- What is this story of the Sun-God all about?
- How did the ancient people succeeded to acquire (all of a sudden ... and out of nothing) incredible knowledge for their time (some of which undercypted even nowadays) and then all of a sudden they lost it? How does that happen?
- If the Egyptean pyramids are not a monument of a past civillization, what are they?
- What knowledge ... and skills should somebody have to be able to manipulate so many people (millions) for so many years (several thousands) to do s.th. they neither know what it is, nor why they are doing it?
- If this was a deal between two civillizations, it is mind-blowngly perfect and fair (depite the option that existed to cheat the retards). You make a monument of our covillization and we give you the know-how of how to jump-over the CO2 barrier and to become a space civillization. The deal is even more complicated by the fact that the other side cannot understand what it is all about ... for over 12 thousnad years. How does that happen?
Forget about Mother Geb, forget about Zeta Orion. Is it true that if we succeed to switch-over from energy supply based on CO2 to energy supply from our star (the Sun) we can become immortal as species (well, for the time being)? How did the ancient people could have known this ... 12 500 years ago ... whithout understanding it?
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 12 Aug, 2013 05:15 pm
@Herald,
Oswald Spengler offers a range of explanations Herald. You might find one of them suitable.
RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 12 Aug, 2013 05:32 pm
@Herald,
I don't think the ancient people knew anything other than how to pile up rocks and closely observe the stars. They were skilled in art and metallurgy and carving/polishing stones and metals. They listened to their hookie-pook astrologers and built the pyramids out of these astrologer's purely superstitious directives.

They imagined legends and exalted their kings to superhuman status all out of fantasy and religious presumption.

They worshiped animals and birds out of a curiosity and an inability to explain our own existence.

They saw mystery in almost everything yet their conclusions were more often purely speculation...
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 12 Aug, 2013 06:05 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Oswald Spengler offers a range of explanations Herald. You might find one of them suitable.
But I was joking about the planed Borg. It's not in the Ragzit Sector. I thought everyone would know.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 12 Aug, 2013 07:09 pm
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 12 Aug, 2013 07:41 pm
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Herald
 
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Reply Mon 12 Aug, 2013 11:26 pm
@RexRed,
RE: I don't think the ancient people knew anything other than how to pile up rocks and closely observe the stars.
This is rather superficial explanation of the things that were going on in the ancient world.
The question was not whether they are skilled or awkward, but why are they exercising this incredible labour which does not add economic value to their standard of living ... and makes no economic and social sense.

RE: the astrologers
Why do you speak with such disdain about astrology. If Big Bang is the master mind of the universe, and if the theory of the evolution of the stars is valid, and if the evolution of the species is valid ... and is direct consequence of the evolution of the stars ... the reasonable ground is that the astrology is the most valid science ... for any indicators, and for any age.

RE: ... out of fantasy and religious presumption
Yes, but how does this made no sense in the past, and all of a sudden has some plausible explanation nowadays. How does that happen?

RE: ... and an inability to explain our own existence
You are talking as if you are able to explain it. If you have something to say on the issue you may say it on my topic: Why are we here?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2013 07:37 am
@RexRed,
Quote:
They saw mystery in almost everything yet their conclusions were more often purely speculation...


But the speculation might be seen, has been seen, as a sort of fitness training for human intelligence. We are not dumb animals just gawping in awe at the mystery although I will admit that that is just an assertion intended to flatter the self-esteem of my readers. I wouldn't necessarily go in to bat for it in high-flying intellectual company.

And an evolution of speculations works on the same principle as the fig tree parable in the Gospels. Like all items of scientific study the "suck it and see" method applies.

Experimental speculations, and activities based on them, regarding sexual licence, will be judged on their outcomes and on nothing else. It has ever been the case with experiments in sexual licence once promiscuity was abandoned after a very long, and unavoidable experiment with it such as we still see today in colonies of monkeys. Whether monkeys speculate is not a subject on which I am qualified to pronounce.

A belief at this early stage, when the specimen of sexual licence is not yet on the examination table, that the outcome will be favourable is no different than the belief that sending the Pharaoh to God in style will improve the chances of him being able to impress God as to the value of the average Egyptian of the time in peopling His Heaven. Both are beliefs.

A little like the idea that the average English woman is not much different than H.M.The Queen. Just hasn't won the lottery yet. Anybody who doesn't frequent English pubs in the late evening could easily get such an impression I should think.

The "ancient people" sacrificed animals and birds, and humans, and studied their innards for direction but such a study was in the hands of a select priesthood, celibate of necessity, which, as you might easily guess, could interpret the innards any way they wished. The elaborate ceremonials serving only to persuade the unwashed, seething throng that the interpretation of the innards was infallible and to demonstrate the authority and dignity of the priesthood.

The nobility and other knightly castes gnashing their teeth in rage and fury at the restrictions being placed on their tendency to licentiousness and one of them, for the amusement of his dining/orgy companions, inventing a parable, far-fetched I'll readily admit, of the world's No.1 golfer having to eat humble pie in front of a crowd of smirking females in penitence for behaviour which an ancient noble would think of as being a bit straight-laced, if these ******* mumbo-jumbo specialists have their way.

It sure is a mystery.





dalehileman
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2013 11:48 am
@Herald,
Quote:
I know why God is She in the Hebrew scripts ... but you don't know.
That's for sure

Quote:
All these comes from the Legend of Osiris and the sky Goddess, mother of Osiris. …...Something like space mafia of the ILFs in the universe.
Thanks H for that report


Quote:
However in the capacity of being irredeemable retards we have understood nothing of the message ... incl. the today's interpretations.
I'm sure that's also true of our Bible
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2013 11:50 am
@Herald,
Quote:
direct consequence of the evolution of the stars ... the reasonable ground is that the astrology is the most valid science ...
Well put, H, unquestionable

Quote:
…..you may say it on my topic: Why are we here?
Of course we're here because as a natural phenom, we have to be
dalehileman
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2013 11:54 am
@spendius,
Quote:
We are not dumb animals just gawping in awe at the mystery
Oh but I am

Quote:
It sure is a mystery.
It sure is
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2013 01:50 pm
@Herald,
RexRed Wrote: ... out of fantasy and religious presumption

Herald Wrote: Yes, but how does this made no sense in the past, and all of a sudden has some plausible explanation nowadays. How does that happen?

RexRed comment:

The Egyptians were treading on new ground where today many diverse religions are diametrically opposed and nearly all, if not all, have been scientifically proven inept...

Humans are by nature today much more skeptical. Even dark skinned native tribes that rarely every have exposure to the civilized world no longer drop to their knees at the sight of a white man...

They ask if they can borrow your cell phone to make a call. Smile
 

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