Does God Exist?

Your GPS wouldn't work without relativity. The time of the clocks on board those satellites is affected (slowed down) by their speed relative to earth.

realtivity.
The only thing that changed was the undersatnding that there is not one all encompassing rule of physics...

That is sooo cute... there are local laws: on earth, Newton still works... hahahaha

Likewise, pre-Copernician astronomy works great for most of one's daily needs... but that is not the way science works.

2) Wikipedia is an excellent resource most of the time.

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When apples start falling to the sky in China I might believe that.

That is what I always hear.
I am NOT saying things do not fall. Your confusing what is happening ( something falling) with the explanation WHY it is falling, That are really to seperate things. If you tell me things will fall, I agree. But if you tell me it is gravity as explained by Newton (who really was a drunk, someone else wrote his books!) I disagree.

Newton's gravity law is false, though it's a good enough approximation most of the times. It's like Pi=3.1416. Technically false, but close enough in practice.

Another problem with it is that it is non-local: Newtonian gravity acts at a distance, without a medium, and therefore involves some degree of 'magic thinking'. Newton himself raised that objection....

Similarly, everybody uses 3.1416 though we all it' s only an approximation... and everyone says 'the sun is rising' when in fact we all know the earth is rotating instead... there's nothing wrong with approximations as long as you use them knowingly.

But this is a tangent. The important point I want to make is that one cannot be absolutely certain of any scientific theory. Science is agnostic about itself. Therefore, one cannot use a scientific theory to 'prove beyond doubt' the existence or non-existence of gods.

Similarly, everybody uses 3.1416 though we all it' s only an approximation... and everyone says 'the sun is rising' when in fact we all know the earth is rotating instead... there's nothing wrong with approximations as long as you use them knowingly.

But this is a tangent. The important point I want to make is that one cannot be absolutely certain of any scientific theory. Science is agnostic about itself. Therefore, one cannot use a scientific theory to 'prove beyond doubt' the existence or non-existence of gods.

My dad was a Shriner, his favorite books were written by Thomas Paine. HAPPY FATHER'S DAY!

RexRed wrote:

My dad was a Shriner, his favorite books were written by Thomas Paine. HAPPY FATHER'S DAY!

My dad volunteered for the army in WW2 and was marched all over Europe. "Common Sense" and the "American Crisis" were good, but Paine turned into a rather unpleasant old man.