Is it egotistical to think that a God would die for you?

@Greatest I am,

Heaven nothing negative

Hell everything negative

@newmoonnewmoon,

newmoonnewmoon wrote:

Heaven nothing negative

You exist for ever, that is not a positive in my opinion. It would become hell to exist for eternity. No matter how great it was, no matter how blissful it was, you would eventually grow tired of it, bored, nothing new would happen. It would become a hell.

newmoonnewmoon wrote:

Hell everything negative

One good part is god wouldn't be there. Well if we are talking about the god of the bible who is an asshole. I would rather go to hell then to give any attention or be in the presence of such a being who would create people for the sole purpose of torturing them for eternity. Bring hell on, it can't be bad.

Here is the thing. If hell is painful, how does it cause pain? You need to have pain receptors to feel pain. If you don't have pain receptors you wouldn't feel pain at all. So are you suggesting that god creates your soul with pain receptors? If that is the case then he had it in mind to torture you with pain for eternity. You can't get any more sadistic than that.

God creates all beings with the ability for their soul to feel pain. Sounds like a great god to me. Or maybe the actual thing is, there is no god, there is no heaven or hell and all these problems are just the fault of errors in peoples wishful wanting of heaven and hell to exist without realizing there are problems with these ideas.

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@Krumple,

may be right.who knows

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@Krumple,

Sad thing is
You were born even though you were not asked if it were ok
But you have to exist to even answer
But you were not created until that sperm met that something etc
Etc

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@newmoonnewmoon,

newmoonnewmoon wrote:

Sad thing is
You were born even though you were not asked if it were ok

Which makes the whole christian premise evil. If you think about it, if I was not asked to exist but forced to make a choice to believe in a god or not and get punished for eternity for not. It means I was created for the sole purpose of being tortured for eternity.

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@newmoonnewmoon,

newmoonnewmoon wrote:

Heaven nothing negative

Hell everything negative

Strange then that 1/3 of God's angels decided that your nothing negative was not the case.

Regards
DL

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@Greatest I am,

I dont know what you mean

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@newmoonnewmoon,

newmoonnewmoon wrote:

I dont know what you mean

Not surprising as it sounds like you have not read your own bible.

https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=TNdWWfzwEPKfXqPlgKAN&gws_rd=ssl#q=satan+and+i/3+of+his+angels&spf=1498863431730

Regards
DL

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@newmoonnewmoon,

newmoonnewmoon wrote:

I dont know what you mean

What he is referring to is. If heaven is so great and the angels are there and have first hand knowledge that god exists. Why would they rebel? If everything is perfect for you and blissful and great why would you object? Seems silly that you would complain if everything was so great?

So one third of the angels rebelled and were kicked out of heaven. Seems odd that they would do that if heaven was nothing but positive greatness.

It would be like you are taking a bite of some food that tastes so good nothing else compares with it. But instead of finish eating it, you slap the plate so the food lands on the floor and then you step on it and walk out still hungry. It doesn't make any sense.

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Sacrificial victims are usually venerated, because that's their role. The gods don't become victims, the victims become gods.

For instance, the plains Indians totally depended on the bison for their livelihood. To assuage their guilt for what otherwise would just be barbaric slaughter, they raised the status of the bison to the sacred and performed elaborate rituals in their honor.

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@Krumple,

Krumple wrote:

newmoonnewmoon wrote:

I dont know what you mean

What he is referring to is. If heaven is so great and the angels are there and have first hand knowledge that god exists. Why would they rebel? If everything is perfect for you and blissful and great why would you object? Seems silly that you would complain if everything was so great?

So one third of the angels rebelled and were kicked out of heaven. Seems odd that they would do that if heaven was nothing but positive greatness.

It would be like you are taking a bite of some food that tastes so good nothing else compares with it. But instead of finish eating it, you slap the plate so the food lands on the floor and then you step on it and walk out still hungry. It doesn't make any sense.

Close enough to perfect for me.

Regards
DL

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@coluber2001,

coluber2001 wrote:

Sacrificial victims are usually venerated, because that's their role. The gods don't become victims, the victims become gods.

For instance, the plains Indians totally depended on the bison for their livelihood. To assuage their guilt for what otherwise would just be barbaric slaughter, they raised the status of the bison to the sacred and performed elaborate rituals in their honor.

A good way to see things.

Regards
DL

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@Krumple,

You exist for ever, that is not a positive in my opinion. It would become hell to exist for eternity. No matter how great it was, no matter how blissful it was, you would eventually grow tired of it, bored, nothing new would happen. It would become a hell.

URL: https://able2know.org/topic/215426-8

Have you had a good life?
I have days when I wake up and wish I had more years to do everything there is to do, to build my own place, to travel and see as much as I can see, to write books and songs, to paint, to eat some really great food, to garden, to make movies, to go jet skiing, to dance....to laugh. I decided when I hit 50 that I would fill up the few remaining years of my life with as much happiness as I could and I wondered why I never made that a priority before. Do you think when you get to heaven this all goes away?
Sure I have an equal amount of negative things in my life that hold me back, but I'm focused on the positive. For years I held myself back from what I really wanted because ...I don't know why...maybe I let other people decide what I should do or maybe I was afraid and for some reason felt, who was I to want to do such things. Maybe I felt I had to do certain things first in order to attain them, but when I turned 50 I just decided to step out of my "comfort zone" and try things. I started attending meetings, I went exploring on my own, I started writing, I went searching for where my talents lie, etc. I read and I study so I make wise choices. If there is a cure for this overwhelming fatigue I'm determined to find it and I'm making strides in that area too. This upbeat feeling could turn around at any moment, but when it does I hang on to the promises of God, use Jesus as my guide and continue to strive for happiness and I do think I am happier than I've ever been. I want to yell at people who are so bogged down in negativity that , Hey I was there too, don't let it keep you down. Maybe I'm making my life sound a little too rosy, it's not. Still there are days when I wish I could add more time to my life to explore more, to sing and dance a little more, to try some new recipes, to go fishing at a new lake, to read. I seem to hunger for more. Maybe an eternity of this wouldn't be so bad.
"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord. "plans to proper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." Jeremiah 29:11
Maybe today I'll just hang out in the hammock and stare at the azure blue sky. Ah so many choices...

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@Krumple,

What he is referring to is. If heaven is so great and the angels are there and have first hand knowledge that god exists. Why would they rebel? If everything is perfect for you and blissful and great why would you object? Seems silly that you would complain if everything was so great?

I believe the answer to your question is PRIDE. Pride goeth before the fall.
Lucifer fell because of pride. He was vain and wanted to be God. Adam and Eve lived in the perfect world - the garden of Eden- and yet when the serpent told them that if they ate the fruit they would become like God they chose to eat the fruit. Remember God had told them they would die, but they wanted to be Gods.
Seems pretty silly to think that we can be a God. That should be apparent by now, but there still are those who strive to have their own way.

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@auroreII,

I think many people regret not having done things differently on career and experience. "I'm going to do that next year" never arrived. I've been fortunate, because my wife gave me the freedom and support to do what I wished to do. She supported me in my senior year in college to attend full time without working, and moved when my job required it. I'm very satisfied with how my life as it turned out. The greatest reward was my travels, and meeting many people and making friends. I even have friends in Russia and Cuba.

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@cicerone imposter,

Sounds great. I wish I could travel more. I take care of people, but I try not to let that stop me and I travel when the opportunity presents itself. Love it.
Sounds like you've got a pretty great wife too.

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@auroreII,

My wife was an RN when she worked, but she still takes care of me. She makes sure I take my meds, and worries about spots I have on my body. I probably wouldn't survive without her.

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@auroreII,

auroreII wrote:

You exist for ever, that is not a positive in my opinion. It would become hell to exist for eternity.

I agree.

If there ever was a supernatural immoral God, suicide would be his end choice.

Regards
DL

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@auroreII,

auroreII wrote:

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I believe the answer to your question is PRIDE. Pride goeth before the fall.
Lucifer fell because of pride. He was vain and wanted to be God.

First. The church showed Satan as a female. Go look at the Vatican art.

Second, Satan is a myth that never existed just as Yahweh never existed.

But if I were foolish enough to read your myth literally, Satan would know that she did not have God's power to create and just wanted freedom from the tyranny of heaven.

Do you believe in freedom or do you think we should all be slaves to your God which is what he demands of us?

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Adam and Eve lived in the perfect world - the garden of Eden

A & E were mentally blind, stupid and ignorant. They had their eyes closed and were not bright enough to know they were naked, is how scriptures put it.

How in hell is that perfect to you?

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- and yet when the serpent told them that if they ate the fruit they would become like God they chose to eat the fruit. Remember God had told them they would die, but they wanted to be Gods.

Why did God put Satan, as the talking serpent in Eden if he did not want Eve to be tempted. He already knew that she could not resist his own power flowing through Satan. Right?

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Seems pretty silly to think that we can be a God. That should be apparent by now, but there still are those who strive to have their own way.

Yet God himself says that they have become as Gods in the knowing of good and evil.

That says that A & E gained a moral sense.

Would you give up yours or have you already gone top the immoral side by following and adoring a genocidal son murdering prick of a God?

Regards
DL

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@Greatest I am,

God did not "sacrifice his only begotten son." He slept for a few hours, and came back to life like everybody else when they sleep. Maybe, he just didn't have a dream.

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