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Masturbation guilt feelings - What are they about?

 
 
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 21 May, 2013 06:49 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Other then irrational guilt driven by some religions what logical reason in this world of any other world is there to feel guilt over such a natural act?
Think dopamine levels. Dopamine is a naturally produced brain chemical associated with reward motivated behavior.

Dopamine levels increase during masturbation and reach a peak at orgasm. Orgasm is the reward but dopamine is as addictive as any street drug. The sudden drop of dopamine levels after orgasm is a reason for the uncomfortable feelings of 'shame'.

But, could it be more complex than that?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 21 May, 2013 07:30 am
@neologist,
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The sudden drop of dopamine levels after orgasm is a reason for the uncomfortable feelings of 'shame'.


That doesn't make any sense to me. That would mean any orgasm would be accompanied by shame.

Do you feel the same shame after you have sex with a woman?

firefly
 
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Reply Tue 21 May, 2013 09:00 am
@neologist,
Quote:
Atheists have 'better sex lives than followers of religion who are plagued with guilt'

By Daily Mail Reporter
20 May 2011

Atheists have far better sex lives than religious people who are plagued with guilt during intercourse and for weeks afterwards, researchers have found.

A study discovered that non-believers are more willing to discuss sexual fantasies and are more satisfied with their experiences.

Both groups of people admitted that they carried out the same activities such as masturbation, watching pornography, having oral sex and pursuing affairs.

But followers of religion did not enjoy the experiences as much due to the stigma created by their belief systems, the study found. It left them with intense feelings of regret after they had climaxed.

The findings emerged in the 'Sex and Secularism' survey of more than 14,500 people carried out by psychologist Darrel Ray and Amanda Brown from Kansas University.

All of the people who were questioned were found to have sex around the same number of times a week. They also became sexually active at similar ages.

But devoutly religious people rated their sex lives far lower than atheists. They also admitted to strong feelings of guilt afterwards.

Strict religions such as Mormons ranked highest on the scale of sexual guilt. Their average score was 8.19 out of 10. They were followed closely behind by Jehovah's Witness, Pentecostal, Seventh Day Adventist, and Baptist.

Catholics rated their levels of sexual guilt at 6.34 while Lutherans came slightly lower at 5.88 . In contrast, atheists and agnostics ranked at 4.71 and 4.81 respectively.

The study found that in individuals, the stronger their religious beliefs were the more powerful their feelings of sexual regret.

Of people raised in very religious homes, 22.5 per cent said they were shamed or ridiculed for masturbating compared with only 5.5 percent of people brought up in the least religious homes.

Some 79.9 per cent of people raised in very religious homes said they felt guilty about a specific sexual activity or desire while 26.3 per cent of those raised in secular homes did.

Worryingly, children raised in strongly religious homes were more likely to get their sex education from pornography, as they were not confident enough to talk with their parents.

However, there was some good news for religious groups. People who had lost their belief and became atheists reported a significant improvement in sexual satisfaction.

People who had left their beliefs behind said their sex lives were 'much improved' and rated their new experiences on average as 7.81 out of ten.

The finding dispelled conventional wisdom that feelings of guilt can continue to trouble people after the religion has faded.

'We did think that religion would have residual effects in people after they left but our data did not show this. That was a very pleasant surprise. The vast majority seem to shake it off and get on with their sexual lives pretty well,' Darrel told alternet.org.

He added: 'Our data shows that people feel very guilty about their sexual behaviour when they are religious, but that does not stop them: it just makes them feel bad.

'Of course, they have to return to their religion to get forgiveness. It's like the church gives you the disease, then offers you a fake cure.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1388827/Atheists-better-sex-religious-followers-plagued-guilt.html#ixzz2TwHHrQdN
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 21 May, 2013 09:32 am
Quote:
The Church Ban on Intercourse

The early Christian church, for example, banned sexual intercourse even among married couples during many days of the year (e.g., for 40 days before both Easter and Christmas and from the time of conception until 40 days after the birth of a child).

Further, enjoyment of sex and sex for nonprocreative purposes have been condemned within this tradition (although certainly not by all Christians). Some observers have suggested that the strong restrictions placed on sex and the constant emphasis on sex as a moral shortcoming in Western culture may only have succeeded in fostering an underlying obsession with sexual objects and activities....
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Masturbation, an almost universal practice among males and a very common one among females, is another potential occasion of guilt among the young.

Guilt Over Masturbation

Recent studies have noted considerable levels of sexual guilt associated with masturbation among the elderly as well. In both instances, masturbation produces guilt because it is defined as an inappropriate behavior by adults or by society in general.

Some anthropologists, like Ruth Benedict, have argued that guilt is not a prominent personality characteristic in all societies. While guilt may be an important means of social control in some societies, others emphasize shame.

Although these two emotional states are similar, there is one notable difference: shame involves embarrassment in the eyes of others, while guilt arises from the violation of internalized values, even if no one else knows about the transgression.

Benedict argued that there are "guilt cultures" and "shame cultures." It has been suggested that certain types of child-rearing practices produce a predominance of guilt, while others lead to feelings of shame in response to the violation of social expectations.

http://health.howstuffworks.com/sexual-health/sexual-dysfunction/sexual-guilt-and-shame-dictionary3.htm
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 21 May, 2013 09:44 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Quote:
The sudden drop of dopamine levels after orgasm is a reason for the uncomfortable feelings of 'shame'.


That doesn't make any sense to me. That would mean any orgasm would be accompanied by shame.

Do you feel the same shame after you have sex with a woman?
I set the word 'shame' in apostrophes for a reason. There is a feeling associated with the drop in dopamine levels. How it is interpreted is one of the reasons for my OP. When I have sex with my wife, the subsequent feeling is one I interpret as fulfillment, different from what I remember of my chicken slapping days.

I'll have to admit. Though I majored in psychology and have long known about the chemical components of orgasm and how it relates to addiction, I have not kept up with my reading. All you have to do is Google "dopamine addiction" to see what I mean. One researcher, David Bradley, refers to dopamine as "the hormone from hell" for its role in nearly every conscious activity. I'm sorry for not having updated my knowledge base before starting this thread. It would have made a lot more sense.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 21 May, 2013 09:51 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Daily Mail Reporter wrote:
Atheists have 'better sex lives than followers of religion who are plagued with guilt'
Count me as a follower of religion whose sex life is not plagued with guilt. I remember it, just haven't had to deal with it for a loong time.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 21 May, 2013 09:58 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Some unnamed source wrote:
The Church Ban on Intercourse
Straw man
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 21 May, 2013 10:08 am
@neologist,
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I'm sorry for not having updated my knowledge base before starting this thread. It would have made a lot more sense.

I don't think it's just an inadequate knowledge base that's the problem. I think it's very unclear just what question you were seeking to answer when you started this thread.

In addition to the question being unclear, you seem to have some idea about universals or "absolutes"--particularly regarding guilt, or goodness--being inherent in all humans, on an instinctual basis, and those views seem more derived from your metaphysical/religious beliefs than from anything you likely acquired as a result of studying biology, psychology, neurology, or anthropology. If you cite Scripture as a support for your thinking, as you did in a previous post, why even bother to "update your knowledge base"?

neologist
 
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Reply Tue 21 May, 2013 10:22 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
. . . If you cite Scripture as a support for your thinking, as you did in a previous post, why even bother to "update your knowledge base"?
I have always found that, in the end, the Bible conforms with reality. Not an opinion shared by many, I admit.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 21 May, 2013 12:34 pm
@neologist,
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I have always found that, in the end, the Bible conforms with reality.

So is it confirmation of your spiritual/metaphysical/religious beliefs that you are seeking?

I'd really just like some idea of where you are coming from with regard to the topic.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 21 May, 2013 02:33 pm
@firefly,
I'm doing a poor job of suggesting, let alone proving, the existence of the inborn conscience.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 21 May, 2013 02:37 pm
@neologist,
Why don't you start with why you even believe there is such a thing as an "inborn conscience"?
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 21 May, 2013 02:51 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Why don't you start with why you even believe there is such a thing as an "inborn conscience"?
A while back, I quoted this when asked if I thought the only good people were those who shared my religious belief.

(Romans 2:14, 15) . . . For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts,. . .

It seemed to answer the question; so I assumed it to be self evident and posted it again in this thread: http://able2know.org/topic/214629-2#post-5333427

Apparently it is not.
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qquestioneruestioner
 
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Reply Thu 23 May, 2013 07:14 am
Is it true that masturbation causes acne and blindness?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 23 May, 2013 07:30 am
@qquestioneruestioner,
Of course it is not true. How would that possibly happen?
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neologist
 
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Reply Thu 23 May, 2013 10:01 am
@qquestioneruestioner,
qquestioneruestioner wrote:
Is it true that masturbation causes acne and blindness?
Were that true, none of us could see well enough to pop our zits.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Thu 12 Sep, 2013 08:59 pm
Neologist said- "Masturbation guilt feelings"
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What guilt? when I started as a young teenager many years ago it was the only way I could relieve the pressure to get a good night's sleep, and as I drifted peacefully off I thought "Thank God for the gift of M"...Wink

PS- Many years later my solicitor sent me to a psychiatrist for routine analysis in connection with a court case I was facing, and one of the questions the shrink sprung on me was "Do you masturbate?"
I went red in the face and mumbled "Er..well...um...yes now and again, like everybody else"
His final report went something like-"Mr. X's behaviour and responses were appropriate throughout the interview", so it seems I gave the right answer..Smile
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anonymously99stwin
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jan, 2014 11:27 pm
@neologist,
I believe it's all in the mind.
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jimmeey
 
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Reply Thu 26 Mar, 2015 02:52 pm
@neologist,
Society is totally screwed up. Children should be told that it's perfectly okay to masturbate in privacy of their bedroom or bathroom. Let them know it's all right to enjoy themselves.

It's such a natural part of life.. Are some people out there against any kind of sexual pressure? Sometimes it seems that way to me.
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HesDeltanCaptain
 
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Reply Mon 3 Aug, 2015 09:40 am
@neologist,
I'd think guilt is a learned behaviour. If you grew up along on the perverbial desert island and never encountered another person youd' grow up absent any guilt about anything you did. In the usualy setting then guilt comes from learning what is or isn't acceptable (relative to your culture.) If you experience guilt then, it's because you're doing something your particular culture views as undesireable behaviour.

Given the numerous physical and psychological benefits of masturbation, anyone who experiences guilt from it need to do a bit of googling and reading. 'Health Benefits of Masturbation' will sort you out nicely. Smile
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