Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

OmSigDAVID wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank, I keep answering your question
and u keep pretending that I did not;
here I go AGAIN, redundantly:
THE REASON IS INSUFFICIENT GUNS.

NOT ENUF PEOPLE R WELL ARMED.
WHEN EVERYONE IS SUFFICIENTLY WELL ARMED,
THEN THE NATION WILL BE MORE POLITE
AND THERE WILL BE LESS CRIME.

The NEXT time that u ask me
the same question again,
I will tell u that the answer is INSUFFICIENT ARMAMENT
BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE REMAIN UN-ARMED.

The time after next
that u ask me that again, I will tell u the same thing.


Did u get it YET ????????????

No, David. I did not get it...because the answer makes no sense.

The question is about the fact that we already are better armed (more guns per capita than any other country)...so WHY ARE WE NOT ALREADY THE SAFEST AND MOST POLITE SOCIETY ON EARTH.

Your response (I won't even call it an answer) makes as much sense as replying: The average distance is 93,000,000...which is referred to as one astronomical unit.

Now...any chance you can actually answer the question?

Frank the reason why we are not the safest country is because our guns are not new enough. They are only 2013 models. They are not the latest greatest with the automatic glow in the dark rounds and 5 mile scopes. Also owning five automatic rifles per person is simply not adequate. The mentally disabled, disgruntled students and employees, felons and would be terrorists are so poorly armed. Three year olds at daycare are not taught to shoot first ask questions later!

This is why our country is not the safest, yea... Our 2 amendment rights are being violated by Obama! Arm the crazies!!! (cynical)

Frank Apisa wrote:

That's probably what he is thinking, Rex.

I think everyone should be able to see that if David's reasoning
were close to correct...we'd already be seeing the expected result...
a much safer nation...and a much more polite one.

Good luck with that!

When the citizenry arms itself sufficiently
everywhere that people expect them all (or enuf of them) to be armed,
then politeness will increase and criminal depredations will reduce,
out of the criminals' concern for their own safety.
The Samurai displayed their swords conspicuously.
Consequently, there was plenty of politeness, in all directions.


We need to convince more citizens to carry their guns with them,
the same way that thay shud BUCKLE available seatbelts.
The TV seatbelt ads shud be changed to exhort:
Buckle up your seatbelt and always wear your gunbelt. Don t forget your back-up gun!





David

Frank Apisa wrote:

As Jack points out...that is an absurd argument, David.

"Absurd" is not logically cognizable, Frank.
Anyone can say that ANYTHING is "absurd" without proving it.
Declaring that something is "absurd" has NO value, as evidence of anything.
U shud already know that.

Frank Apisa wrote:

And that is the reason you will no answer the question I asked.

I suspect that u want me to agree with u,
regardless of the fact that your position has no merit.
U need to convince me, b4 I will agree with u.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Forget about your guesses about what we would be like if
everyone (or almost everyone) carried a weapon.

Talk about right now.

I already DID that. I pointed out that
too many people are too lazy to carry their guns with them,
with the effect that there is insufficient presumption
of people whom one encounters actually being armed.

Frank Apisa wrote:

We have more weapons per capita than any other country...BY FAR...

Prove that from evidence coming from a source
that is worthy of respect and credence.

Frank Apisa wrote:

and yet we are not the safest and most polite society on Earth.

Why?

(HINT: Because you thesis is completely flawed.
More guns do not make for a more polite and safer society.)

See my comments above in this post
and also comments set forth RESPONSIVELY above in this thread.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Answer the question. Use the hint for help.

Frank: begin by proving your premise
with respectable evidence. HINT: The Brady group is not respectable.





David

As I said...you position is an absurdity.

There is absolutely no reason to suspect that more guns will
lead to greater safety...or more politeness.

That is something you are just asserting gratuitously.

If your thesis were correct...we would already be the safest
and most polite nation on the planet.

I suggest we are not...and I think the evidence
already presented in this thread shows that to be so.

But I can understand why you are ducking the issue, David.

Frank Apisa wrote:

As I said...you position is an absurdity.

I reflect that nonsense
back to u, to wit:
YOUR position is an absurdity.

Frank Apisa wrote:

There is absolutely no reason to suspect that more guns will
lead to greater safety...or more politeness.

There IS: look at the Samurai, with their swords.

Frank Apisa wrote:

That is something you are just asserting gratuitously.

BULLoney !

Frank Apisa wrote:

If your thesis were correct...we would already be the safest
and most polite nation on the planet.

No. Too many lazy people fail to carry their guns; leave them home.

Frank Apisa wrote:

I suggest we are not...and I think the evidence
already presented in this thread shows that to be so.

WHICH "evidence"?????

Frank Apisa wrote:

But I can understand why you are ducking the issue, David.

I CHALLENGE your naked assumptions.
Your premises remain un-proven.

Do you think no guns will make us safer Frank? Really look at the society we live in.

Any restrictions on guns is going to effect people such as myself,
it will have no effect on those who commit gun crimes.

How do you ensure my 2nd Amendment rights while keeping guns out of the hands of crooks?

Any restrictions on guns is going to effect people such as myself, it will have no effect on those who commit gun crimes. How do you ensure my 2nd Amendment rights while keeping guns out of the hands of crooks?

How can you say that. If you don't think more guns keep us safer, then you must think less guns will keep us safer.

Can you think of any of the new gun restrictions that have worked to keep us safer?

There are more guns in the US today then at any time in history and crime has been on the down swing.

Lowest crime #'s in the last 50 years. So more guns haven't made things less safe, it would appear that more guns=less crime.

So more guns have not made life in the US less safe.

What gun laws have made us safer? Please explain.

We have MORE guns per capita than any other country BY FAR.

Frank Apisa wrote:

We have MORE guns per capita than any other country BY FAR.

U keep SAYING that
and u keep NOT offering any evidence thereof,
let alone any proof. Is that statistic from your own counting????

Frank Apisa wrote:

We have MORE guns per capita than any other country BY FAR.

U keep SAYING that
and u keep NOT offering any evidence thereof,
let alone any proof. Is that statistic from your own counting????

I told you earlier to Google "gun ownership by country"
and you would get all the information you need.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country



Lots, lots more there if you really want it.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

We have MORE guns per capita than any other country BY FAR.

U keep SAYING that
and u keep NOT offering any evidence thereof,
let alone any proof. Is that statistic from your own counting????

Frank Apisa wrote:

I told you earlier to Google "gun ownership by country"
and you would get all the information you need.

Its not my job to prove YOUR allegations.

Frank Apisa wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country



Lots, lots more there if you really want it.

I checked your link.
It is not shown to be sourced from credible, respectible survays.
We cannot even GUESS how those numbers were gathered.
No one counted MY guns, but me. I hope that u r right,
and that America really DOES have more per capita guns,
but I see no credible evidence of that yet.

That is not bad enuf.
U offer no evidence of guns being defensively carried on the person
during ordinary inter-personal activity, like the Samurai 's swords,
as distinct from guns kept at home, maybe stashed in desks.'

The effects of those guns will be manifested in terms of politeness IF
others believe that people with whom thay converse r well armed,
not in terms of what equipment thay have at home.
David