Reply Sun 4 May, 2008 07:53 pm
YouTube - Penn & Teller on the 2nd Amendment

YouTube - Penn and Teller - Gun Control and Columbine
 
Drakej
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2008 08:49 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Look at Chicago and DC. Very strict gun laws and you have a hand full of shootings each and every weekend. It is time we hold the people accountable instead of a tool. You take guns away and they will start using explosives.

People are way to quick to jump to the easy fix. Look at the Patriot Act, hey lets pass a law to catch terrorists! And how many arrests has this led to? We need to stand up for all of our rights not just the 2nd amendment. This country is going down hill fast.
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briansol
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 01:09 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
criminals don't follow laws....

thus, gun laws keep guns out of good citizens' hands
Drakej
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 07:59 am
@briansol,
briansol;57276 wrote:
criminals don't follow laws....

thus, gun laws keep guns out of good citizens' hands


Yup, this is pretty much the long and the short of it.

I would really like to hear someones ideas on how some people that advocate a no guns or no hand guns policy plan on making that happen. I have yet to hear anyone come up with a plausible idea.
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markx15
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 09:55 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Its true, here in Brazil we have extremely strict gun laws, yet the drug dealers that rule the favelas have everything from simple hand guns, to .50 machine guns and grenade launchers(the last have been a recent discovery, after 2 such weapons were confiscated during a police raid). Still, we know who our enemy is, it is one whom we can actively fight against, it is something we can in some ways prevent. There are casualties, but it is not from isolated unpreventable causes, like accidental shootings, or intentional ones for demented reasons. Now we still have a chance, and a way to win, do you? The only way I see for defeating your foe is reducing the availability of firearms, you could only do that by stricter laws, but you already have so many guns in homes. So what to do from here?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 8 May, 2008 05:03 pm
@markx15,
How about treating the cause of gun crimes?

.....Poverty?



I think if we can give everybody a good education and get the economy rolling we can severely reduce gun crimes. Gun control doesn't work, whatever restrictions you place will be broken.
briansol
 
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Reply Fri 9 May, 2008 06:28 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
poverty isn't the problem... i know plenty of people who are poor and are good people. There's a guy in town who lives on the railroad tracks. everyday, he's on his bike collecting cans from the side of the road and at the car washes..
if he makes 10 bucks a day, i'd be impressed. he's ultimate poverty, but ya know what, he's out there EARNING a living... even if it isn't much.

he's not on welfare. he's not popping out kids. he's not on drugs/albohol (at least i've never seen him look impaired).
just a guy who fell on hard times years ago, and got to where he is... and ended up either enjoying the lifestyle, or had some mental issues with things.. who knows.

you can't get much poorer than that.

it's kids born into lazy shits/drug addicts/hookers/ etc etc houses who never learn any better and turn out to be bigger pieces of **** than their parents.

so once again it falls back on.............. yup, the parents.

which goes back to my pro-abortion campaign Very Happy and my sterlize dumb people campaign Very Happy
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Fri 9 May, 2008 06:41 pm
@briansol,
briansol;57312 wrote:
poverty isn't the problem... i know plenty of people who are poor and are good people. There's a guy in town who lives on the railroad tracks. everyday, he's on his bike collecting cans from the side of the road and at the car washes..
if he makes 10 bucks a day, i'd be impressed. he's ultimate poverty, but ya know what, he's out there EARNING a living... even if it isn't much.

he's not on welfare. he's not popping out kids. he's not on drugs/albohol (at least i've never seen him look impaired).
just a guy who fell on hard times years ago, and got to where he is... and ended up either enjoying the lifestyle, or had some mental issues with things.. who knows.

you can't get much poorer than that.

it's kids born into lazy shits/drug addicts/hookers/ etc etc houses who never learn any better and turn out to be bigger pieces of **** than their parents.

so once again it falls back on.............. yup, the parents.

which goes back to my pro-abortion campaign Very Happy and my sterlize dumb people campaign Very Happy


I'm not saying all poverty stricken people are violent or even most for that matter but statistics show that those below the poverty line are more likely to commit violent crimes....this is a fact.
g-man
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2008 07:27 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
I'd like to say something...................
But, your video says it all.
Thanks for posting it.
g-man
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2008 07:39 am
@markx15,
markx15;57287 wrote:
Its true, here in Brazil we have extremely strict gun laws, yet the drug dealers that rule the favelas have everything from simple hand guns, to .50 machine guns and grenade launchers(the last have been a recent discovery, after 2 such weapons were confiscated during a police raid). Still, we know who our enemy is, it is one whom we can actively fight against, it is something we can in some ways prevent. There are casualties, but it is not from isolated unpreventable causes, like accidental shootings, or intentional ones for demented reasons. Now we still have a chance, and a way to win, do you? The only way I see for defeating your foe is reducing the availability of firearms, you could only do that by stricter laws, but you already have so many guns in homes. So what to do from here?


Your post makes sense. My response is not meant to be disrespectful toward you or Brazilians. But I suspect it will be taken as such.
Many nationalities have historically shown themselves more willing to be "led" by whoever happens to be in power. Which in some issues is a good thing.
I do agree with you that if a nation can get to a point where all guns are out of reach for the common man, that those with guns would be criminals. But, sacrificing the victims of killers like sacrificial lambs is simply not in the make up of Americans. If I am going to be murdered by a drug dealer, I would at least want to attempt to take him or them with me. That may seem a bit selfish but, I think most Americans are like minded. Individual rights and all.
If more people arm themselves, people considering crime would be forced to think harder about "who" to make the victim.
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Petey J
 
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Reply Sun 8 Nov, 2009 09:07 am
@g-man,
Gun control as an external meaure is useless if people fail to appreciate the value of human life and how irreplacable a human life is ...

Our culture worships violence, worships guns and bullets and blood and death. Just look at what Hollywood churns out. Just look at what the video game industry vomits out. Mindless violence. Obscene. It permeates absolutely everything. Some are even sexually excited by witnessing it.

Movies like SAW, HOSTEL, and TURISTAS are basically porn for voyeuristic lovers of torture. Disgusting beyond words. The media is a mirror for the society that created it, and that society is indeed hideous.

No, stopping gun-violence with legislation would be the proverbial Band-Aid on the tumour. Inner reform is needed. Spiritual reform.
Mr Prostate
 
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Reply Tue 29 Dec, 2009 10:30 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Does Gun control help?


*Annual Homicides by Guns:

Austria 1999: 17 total/0.0 per 100,000 population
Australia 1998: 56 total/0.3 per 100,000 population
Germany 1999: 155 total/0.2 per 100,000 population
Japan 1997: 22 total/0.0 per 100,000 population
Sweden 1996: 11 total/0.0 per 100,000 population
U.K. 1999: 45 total/0.1 per 100,000 population
USA 1998: 11802 total/4.4 per 100,000 population

*This information can be found in the World Health Organization 2001 international report on violence and health.


You'll note that all of the listed countries are wealthy, first-world, industrial democracies. You will also note that they all practice some form of gun control. As you can see, the gun homicide rate in the USA is 20 times that in Germany, 40 times that in the U.K. and 200 times that in Japan. Comparisons with other democracies are similarly unfavorable. How would you explain this apparent anomaly?


Does gun control help?
Whatever cv
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jan, 2010 09:29 am
@Mr Prostate,
Mr. Prostate;69425 wrote:
Does Gun control help?


*Annual Homicides by Guns:

Austria 1999: 17 total/0.0 per 100,000 population
Australia 1998: 56 total/0.3 per 100,000 population
Germany 1999: 155 total/0.2 per 100,000 population
Japan 1997: 22 total/0.0 per 100,000 population
Sweden 1996: 11 total/0.0 per 100,000 population
U.K. 1999: 45 total/0.1 per 100,000 population
USA 1998: 11802 total/4.4 per 100,000 population

*This information can be found in the World Health Organization 2001 international report on violence and health.


You'll note that all of the listed countries are wealthy, first-world, industrial democracies. You will also note that they all practice some form of gun control. As you can see, the gun homicide rate in the USA is 20 times that in Germany, 40 times that in the U.K. and 200 times that in Japan. Comparisons with other democracies are similarly unfavorable. How would you explain this apparent anomaly?


Does gun control help?


Yup!!!
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2011 03:46 am
@Mr Prostate,
Mr Prostate wrote:
Does Gun control help?


*Annual Homicides by Guns:

Austria 1999: 17 total/0.0 per 100,000 population
Australia 1998: 56 total/0.3 per 100,000 population
Germany 1999: 155 total/0.2 per 100,000 population
Japan 1997: 22 total/0.0 per 100,000 population
Sweden 1996: 11 total/0.0 per 100,000 population
U.K. 1999: 45 total/0.1 per 100,000 population
USA 1998: 11802 total/4.4 per 100,000 population

*This information can be found in the World Health Organization 2001 international report on violence and health.


You'll note that all of the listed countries are wealthy, first-world, industrial democracies. You will also note that they all practice some form of gun control. As you can see, the gun homicide rate in the USA is 20 times that in Germany, 40 times that in the U.K. and 200 times that in Japan. Comparisons with other democracies are similarly unfavorable. How would you explain this apparent anomaly?


Does gun control help?


Cherry-picked bogus stats.

First, it only selects a few isolated countries so as to give a misleading picture.

Second, it focuses on gun homicides instead of on overall homicides.

Is someone "more dead" if they were killed with a gun instead of with a knife?


The question "Does gun control help" is too vague to answer.

The answer depends on what specific gun control is being asked about, and what the hoped-for outcome is.
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johna2k222
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2012 10:16 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Thank you, markx15!
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johna2k222
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2012 10:19 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Thank you, Fatal Freedoms!
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2012 10:20 pm
@markx15,
Allowing the citizens to defend themselves from evil is the only way to solve this.
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johna2k222
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2012 10:24 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Thank you for another post, Fatal Freedoms!
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johna2k222
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2012 10:38 pm
@Petey J,
Thank you, Petey J! I saw Hostel Part 2 on TV. Maybe it does give some pleasure (perverse?), but I usually don't like that type of movie. Violence is an easy, very temporary, way to deal with problems, and the sex gives some direct pleasure to the brain. Maybe these movies and video games are addictive drugs. When Hollywood says "anti-war", they need to do "anti-war", demonstrated by willingness to stop making big money by using violence as entertainment.
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johna2k222
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2012 11:18 pm
H2O MAN! Thank you for the video! Giving guns to slaves maybe would not have freed the slaves. The slaves would also have needed a brilliant military-type organization, and a brilliant strategy. It took a huge Union Army to free the slaves, with many lives lost. Many types of laws are used to control people, not only gun control laws. I am not opposed to accountable gun ownership. It would be difficult for gun owners to battle police, National Guard, and US military. Gun owners could not defeat Government forces. Are things so bad in our country, that the majority of Americans would want to overthrow the Government? Gun control is not the main problem-solver. But Government leaders need to talk about guns, and about many other things which affect our society. Some people do not want slavery, even when they don't have the threat of gun owners attacking them. Thank you.
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