Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

From the NY Daily News:
An Arizona man has reportedly confessed to stabbing his 12-year-old
half brother to death simply because he "felt like killing."

Andrew Ward, 27, was described as standing covered in blood with a knife
in his pocket when he placed a 911 call for his mutilated brother
from a Phoenix Circle K Wednesday.

"He was real shaky and scared. I could see in his eyes something bad
had happened," store worker Kristina Krasovich, who said she let Ward
borrow her cell phone, told ABC15.

In his phone call police say Ward indicated that he had just stabbed someone.
Krasovich said he gave her a thumbs up when she asked if he was OK.


Back at the nearby home Ward shared with his family, police reported
finding his alleged victim barely alive.

Austin Tapia, a sixth grader known for his "infectious smile and caring attitude"
by his school, had been stabbed multiple times before left for dead,
according to police. The boy's mother and sisters returned home
from dinner shortly after to swarming police cars. They told police
that they left the pair home to play video games.




I doubt that the victim had expected THAT to happen.
It was with this broad and general pro-self defense state-of-mind
that I armed myself with a .38 revolver when I was 8, in Arizona.
I wish that this stabbing victim had been as well, or better armed.
I surmise that this stabbing victim had been so injudicious as to be un-armed.
He paid the penalty for that.

This case shud be an ORGASMIC DELIGHT to supporters of gun control:
both predator and victim were fully and 1OO% obedient to ALL gun control laws,
so the victim was completely HELPLESS. That is what the suppressionists LIKE





David

Frank Apisa wrote:

Right.

More guns means a kinder, safer, more polite society...

I suspect that guns r not related to kindness
any more than slide-rules.

Frank Apisa wrote:

as America proves every day...
since we are the kindest, most polite, and safest society on the planet,
because we have more guns per capita than any other country.

RIGHT?????

Yes (except as to kindness).
If I take off my guns to go swimming, I dont feel more nor less kind.
Its important that people actually WEAR THEIR GUNS,
not just forget them n leave them at home.

For all I know, this victim might have had plenty of fine guns,
just beyond his reach at the time.




( In my imagination, I wish that I had been able
to go and let the victim borrow a nice .44 revolver
loaded with hollowpointed slugs, when he was in need. )



David

Frank Apisa wrote:

Okay. We can eliminate "kinder."

So you are saying that more guns in the hands of more people
makes for a more polite and safer society...

Yes; an armed society is a polite society;
(witness the Japanese culture from their Samurai heritage).

Frank Apisa wrote:

as America proves every day...
since we are the most polite, and safest society on the planet,
because we have more guns per capita than any other country.

RIGHT?????

Yes, but note that I am not
well prepared to argue statistics, for my lack of statistical information.

David

I understand.

Neither am I.

But I am almost certain that we are not the safest country in the world...

...and we are not even close to being most polite.

So you are saying that more guns in the hands of more people
makes for a more polite and safer society...

as America proves every day...
since we are the most polite, and safest society on the planet,
because we have more guns per capita than any other country.

RIGHT?????

Yes, but note that I am not
well prepared to argue statistics, for my lack of statistical information.

David

I understand.

Neither am I.

But I am almost certain that we are not the safest country in the world...

...and we are not even close to being most polite.

Frank Apisa wrote:

So you are saying that more guns in the hands of more people
makes for a more polite and safer society...

Yes; an armed society is a polite society;
(witness the Japanese culture from their Samurai heritage).

Frank Apisa wrote:

as America proves every day...
since we are the most polite, and safest society on the planet,
because we have more guns per capita than any other country.

RIGHT?????

DAVID wrote:

Yes, but note that I am not
well prepared to argue statistics, for my lack of statistical information.

David

Frank Apisa wrote:

I understand.

Neither am I.

But I am almost certain that we are not the safest country in the world...

...and we are not even close to being most polite.

In another century,
1O years after I retired from the practice of law,
I assisted someone to get elected Governor of NY.
I received a comfortable job in the government of NY State.
I was designated to preside in Harlem.
Upon my arrival, I was a little taken aback to find that
the blacks were a lot more polite among themselves
than I had expected (tho I 'd not given it much thought).
The citizens of Harlem have been known to be disproportionately well armed.

Frank Apisa wrote:

So you are saying that more guns in the hands of more people
makes for a more polite and safer society...

Yes; an armed society is a polite society;
(witness the Japanese culture from their Samurai heritage).

Are you saying the Japanese have more guns per capita than the USA?

If not, why are you bringing it up?

as America proves every day...
since we are the most polite, and safest society on the planet,
because we have more guns per capita than any other country.

RIGHT?????

Yes, but note that I am not
well prepared to argue statistics, for my lack of statistical information.

David

I understand.

Neither am I.

But I am almost certain that we are not the safest country in the world...

...and we are not even close to being most polite.

In another century,
1O years after I retired from the practice of law,
I assisted someone to get elected Governor of NY.
I received a comfortable job in the government of NY State.
I was designated to preside in Harlem.
Upon my arrival, I was a little taken aback to find that
the blacks were a lot more polite among themselves
than I had expected (tho I 'd not given it much thought).
The citizens of Harlem have been known to be disproportionately well armed.

I'm not sure about how relatively well-armed the people of Harlem are...
but do you actually think that the people of Harlem are SAFER
than people elsewhere????

I'm assuming you are talking about the Harlem just below the South Bronx,
right...not the one in the Netherlands?

Do you think people in Harlem, USA are more polite and safer than people in Harlem,
the Netherlands, where gun ownership is much less?

MISSISSIPPI ENACTS TAX HOLIDAY
ON GUNS & AMMUNITION

Today, the Mississippi House of Representatives passed Senate Bill 2425,
NRA-backed legislation sponsored by state Senator Philip Moran
(R-Hancock and Harrison Counties), by a 101 to 16 vote.

As previously reported, SB 2425 creates a tax-free weekend in the
Magnolia State during the month of September for individual sales
of firearms, ammunition, archery equipment and certain hunting supplies.

Special thanks to state Representative Jeff Smith (R-Lowndes County),
the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee who handled
this measure on the House floor, and to House Speaker Philip Gunn
(R-Hinds, Madison, Warren and Yazoo Counties), who sponsored a
similar House bill. Please be sure to thank your state Representative
if he or she voted for SB 2425.






Now there is NO EXCUSE for anyone going around un-armed!





Thus attesteth:

David

MISSISSIPPI ENACTS TAX HOLIDAY
ON GUNS & AMMUNITION

Today, the Mississippi House of Representatives passed Senate Bill 2425,
NRA-backed legislation sponsored by state Senator Philip Moran
(R-Hancock and Harrison Counties), by a 101 to 16 vote.

As previously reported, SB 2425 creates a tax-free weekend in the
Magnolia State during the month of September for individual sales
of firearms, ammunition, archery equipment and certain hunting supplies.

Special thanks to state Representative Jeff Smith (R-Lowndes County),
the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee who handled
this measure on the House floor, and to House Speaker Philip Gunn
(R-Hinds, Madison, Warren and Yazoo Counties), who sponsored a
similar House bill. Please be sure to thank your state Representative
if he or she voted for SB 2425.






Now there is NO EXCUSE for anyone going around un-armed!





Thus attesteth:

David

And if only we would get enough guns into the hands of more people...
we would be a much more courteous and safer country.

Although why we are not already by far the most courteous and safest country
on the planet still remains a mystery.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

MISSISSIPPI ENACTS TAX HOLIDAY
ON GUNS & AMMUNITION

Today, the Mississippi House of Representatives passed Senate Bill 2425,
NRA-backed legislation sponsored by state Senator Philip Moran
(R-Hancock and Harrison Counties), by a 101 to 16 vote.

As previously reported, SB 2425 creates a tax-free weekend in the
Magnolia State during the month of September for individual sales
of firearms, ammunition, archery equipment and certain hunting supplies.

Special thanks to state Representative Jeff Smith (R-Lowndes County),
the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee who handled
this measure on the House floor, and to House Speaker Philip Gunn
(R-Hinds, Madison, Warren and Yazoo Counties), who sponsored a
similar House bill. Please be sure to thank your state Representative
if he or she voted for SB 2425.






Now there is NO EXCUSE for anyone going around un-armed!





Thus attesteth:

David

Frank Apisa wrote:

And if only we would get enough guns into the hands of more people...
we would be a much more courteous and safer country.

Yes. Thank u for bringing out that point, Frank.
We woud restore the status quo ante.
Too few of our citizens possess your wisdom.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Although why we are not already by far the most courteous and safest country
on the planet still remains a mystery.

Its because of the slackers, Frank !
Too many of our fellow citizens are not sufficiently well armed.
That creates an un-safe condition, encouraging violent criminals.
After some criminals shot at me, on the road, thay swiftly departed
for points hence after my OWN gun appeared on the scene.
Some criminals INSIST upon having a monopoly of power
in whose absence thay simply refuse to work. Thay insist on gun control.
Thay deem it too dangerous to work without it.

Politeness is not necessarily confined to the Samurai.
It is my opinion that if sufficient numbers of American citizens
believed that everyone else is well armed, thay will be less likely to act like jerks.
Witness the fact of much higher standards of etiquette
prevailing in America ante-dating gun control.

David

But since you are arguing that more GUNS in the hands of more people
makes for a more courteous and safer people...

...the question of why we are not now the most courteous and safest people on the planet.

We already have more guns per capita in the hands of more people
as any other nation on the planet...

...(and as many knives and other implements of "protection")...

...so if your reasoning were correct, it would follow that we would be
the most courteous and safest nation on the planet.

But even lovers of country can see that we are not...BY A LONG SHOT.

Perhaps your reasoning is wrong...bizarre as that might seem, David.

Frank Apisa wrote:

But since you are arguing that more GUNS in the hands of more people
makes for a more courteous and safer people...

...the question of why we are not now the most courteous and safest people on the planet.

We already have more guns per capita in the hands of more people
as any other nation on the planet...

...(and as many knives and other implements of "protection")...

...so if your reasoning were correct, it would follow that we would be
the most courteous and safest nation on the planet.

But even lovers of country can see that we are not...BY A LONG SHOT.

Perhaps your reasoning is wrong...bizarre as that might seem, David.

Don t worry; it will be fine when we get enuf guns
into everyone 's hands. Those who carry shud get tax credits -- not 1OO%,
maybe 3O%, to keep it within reason.

Any un-armed slackers will pay compensatorily higher taxes
since thay require public defense.
Will u agree that that is reasonable ?

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

But since you are arguing that more GUNS in the hands of more people
makes for a more courteous and safer people...

...the question of why we are not now the most courteous and safest people on the planet.

We already have more guns per capita in the hands of more people
as any other nation on the planet...

...(and as many knives and other implements of "protection")...

...so if your reasoning were correct, it would follow that we would be
the most courteous and safest nation on the planet.

But even lovers of country can see that we are not...BY A LONG SHOT.

Perhaps your reasoning is wrong...bizarre as that might seem, David.

Don t worry; it will be fine when we get enuf guns
into everyone 's hands. Those who carry shud get tax credits -- not 1OO%,
maybe 3O%, to keep it within reason.

Any un-armed slackers will pay compensatorily higher taxes
since thay require public defense.
Will u agree that that is reasonable ?

I am arguing that your contention "more guns in the hands of more people will make us a more courteous and safer people" is an absurdity.

You are trying to avoid dealing with that by diversion.

Good move on your part, because even you probably can see that the argument sinks of its own weight.

But...I would prefer to stick with that rather than indulge your diversion.

David, the fact that one person is physically stronger
than another person is probably a deterrent from attack.

Some people are so skilled they can disarm an attacker in seconds.

One could challenge another to a duel
and one picks up a rock and one picks up a stone,

then one picks up a chair and one picks up a sword,
one picks up a gun and one rolls out a canon.

All of these are deterrents but it is the escalation of these deterrents
that can become the ruin of a society.

The whole idea is to deter from violence.

There can come a point where one's own arsenal can become used against themselves.

There will always be some sort of deterrent force between people.

Sometimes people just holler at each other
and the one who screams loudest, wins.

It is a great oversight to underestimate
and to militarize society blindly as you so do.

And I might admit your veracity [veracity means truth]
for "guns" is (in my opinion) a discredit to your personality.

You advocate to suppress a small voice in society that needs no gun,
or rocks, or stones, or loud words but only a whisper...

Contrarily you only advocate for a bang... chaos... anarchy.

Now you can think that you have to comment
to each thing I have written here.

In this that you want to militarize but you only further reveal
how disconnected you are from the scope of life.

Yes I said, scope...[??]

You are so focused right in the [?] you don't see or even sense the periphery of your view.

That does not a good hunter make.

You advocate guns while you are heartlessly
and vocally blind to the misuse.

Why not say yes I believe in the 2nd amendment but I also believe in
regulation to protect the peace?

But no, you only care about the right to push guns
on even those who are clearly prone to misuse.

This indicates you are either ignorant or disingenuous.

Either way that does't a good person make.

Some people have allergic reactions to seafood
and some people are not meant to own or have access to guns.

This is not debatable.

Were I to go to a town hall meeting and I should speak in a forum
of how I think public policy should be with elected officials I don't
want guns in my face from any opposition.

Some things are about reason and not about force and firepower.

Let reason and good will be the deterrent.

We have deterrents in this world even if we merely resort to stones.

Anyone to argue we don't have deterrents would be a fool.

What makes us civilized is that we know when to lay down
our weapons and be peaceable with our neighbors.

Let deterrent be where deterrence need be and for it will ALWAYS
be there and let peace be were peace need be.

Too much deterrent can poison a society and there can never be
to little deterrent because there will always be angry words and stones.

Watching the video, posted on Facebook, of little Shyanne with her new AR-15 is chilling.
She likes the fact that the gun was painted purple and black -- her favorite colors,
she says, though she adds that she also likes pink, too.
"It's beautiful," she says of the gun, noting that she found it "well balanced."
What's astonishing is that if you closed your eyes, you might think
that Shyanne is really an adult. But she's not. Think of this tale as
the weaponized version of the TV beauty pageant show, Toddlers
and Tiaras -- kids trying to act like adults, with adult make-up and
jewelry, cheered on by adults for the sake of themselves.
Only, in this case, instead of a rhinestone tiara and ruby-red lipstick,
the prime accessory for this child is an assault rifle [sic],
with a magazine that holds 15 bullets [sic].