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Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

 
 
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2013 06:03 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Once again David, I do not favor a gun ban I favor gun regulations... (regulated militia)

I favor unstable individuals being barred from purchasing and owning a gun. I also favor a total gun ban for adolescents, just as alcohol, cigarettes and automobiles are regulated.

Taking a child hunting is a form of child abuse... I say let the child mature and decide if murdering animals in cold blood is part of their own code of ethics. I also think gun ownership should be limited on how many guns one individual can own...

http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/images/fatah_fans_w_child_w_gun_1.jpg

Look kosher to you David?

Does that child look happy to you? (pursuit of happiness)

THIS is child abuse, even if it is served up on a silver platter....
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2013 06:36 pm
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2013 10:15 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
Once again David, I do not favor a gun ban I favor gun regulations... (regulated militia)
There were 2 kinds of militia:
public militia, called "selected militia"
and
private militia (like a volunteer fire dept.) called "well regulated militia".
I join u in favoring the private kind.



RexRed wrote:
I favor unstable individuals being barred from purchasing and owning a gun.
but Y, Rex??
What good wud come from that prohibition??
Wud it be any more effective than the prohibitions on marijuana or beer ?
I don t know anyone in his right mind who 'd pay attention
to a ban against his defending his life, that he is MORE loyal
to such an obviously un-Constitutional law than he is to his OWN life.

I favor unstable individuals who have proven that thay r intolerable
threats to the decent people by violent, criminal recidivism
whereof thay have been duly convicted,
be removed from the North American Continent.




RexRed wrote:
I also favor a total gun ban for adolescents,
just as alcohol, cigarettes and automobiles are regulated.
The kids I knew in my youth (including me) had no interest in any laws
concerning those subjects. We did what we wanted; never considered the law.
In your boyhood, were u deterred by laws against homosexuality???
or did u proceed anyway?
Adolescents have as much right to defend their lives and property
as anyone else; "equal protection of the laws". Do u deny that ???????





RexRed wrote:
Taking a child hunting is a form of child abuse...
That depends on the child; the same as a ballgame. Different tastes prevail.
I agree that it shud not be done against his will. Maybe u meant that?




RexRed wrote:
I say let the child mature
YES! That shud not be prevented.



RexRed wrote:
and decide if murdering animals in cold blood is part of their own code of ethics.
Yes; there shud be free choice.

How do u feel about children taking predators, e.g. cougars ?




RexRed wrote:
I also think gun ownership should be limited on how many guns one individual can own...
Will u explain when, where n how government acquired JURISDICTION to interfere in that??
Any more than government has jurisdiction to make u go to Church
a minimum number of times a month????



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RexRed wrote:
Look kosher to you David?
I don t think so, Rex; more likely in a Moslem well-regulated militia.
Those militia have many, many children not much over babies.
Thay start them young. That looks like a woman behind him.




RexRed wrote:
Does that child look happy to you? (pursuit of happiness)
He looks very interested in whatever he sees or hears.
I dunno whether he is happy or un-happy. He might be happy with his gun.
The M-16 family has little recoil; does not weigh much.
I don t personally care much for the M-16 nor AR-15s.





RexRed wrote:
THIS is child abuse, even if it is served up on a silver platter....
I dunno. Depending on the kid,
it cud be either way. I imagine that like in almost everything else,
there is a bell-curved distribution of youthful sentiment.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 22 Dec, 2013 01:04 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David your obsession with guns has blinded you to the dangers of them. Your fear seems to have overwhelmed your sense of reason.

It is like driving down the road and you can't see the stop sign right in front of you because instead you are looking way off in the distance.

My homosexuality as a teen did not lead to the death of someone else.

But teen alcohol often leads to death and other serious health issues, teens with weapons are the number 2 killer of teens.

Underage drinking risks include:

Death – 5,000 people under age 21 die each year from alcohol-related car crashes, homicides, suicides, alcohol poisoning, and other injuries such as falls, burns, and drowning.

Serious injuries – More than 190,000 people under age 21 visited an emergency room for alcohol-related injuries in 2008 alone.

Impaired judgment – Drinking can cause kids to make poor decisions, which can then result in risky behavior like drinking and driving, sexual activity, or violence.
Increased risk for physical and sexual assault – Youth who drink are more likely to carry out or be the victim of a physical or sexual assault.

Brain development problems – Research shows that brain development continues well into a person’s twenties. Alcohol can affect this development, and contribute to a range of problems.

Comment: And... how can you reasonably equate homosexual LOVE with suicide and accidental death by a firearm? Mutual homosexual love has never hurt anyone ever...

Laws are supposed to be just. Prohibiting homosexuality is unjust but prohibiting accidental death by juvenile horseplay and suicide with a firearm is common sense.

The Constitution of The United States of America dictates that the elected officials are to enforce rule of law in order to prevent total anarchy and chaos.

Gun violence at the current degree is diametrically opposed to this rule of law and thus requires government to "govern" ... What other alternative is there to our government, a totalitarian oligarchy? See if they let you have your guns for "protection"...

It seems you would rather be without a government and rule of law than lose your guns. That is about as farsighted as one can get.

http://bokertov.typepad.com/btb/images/fatah_fans_w_child_w_gun_1.jpg
Farsighted
RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 22 Dec, 2013 04:45 am
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 22 Dec, 2013 08:59 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
David your obsession with guns has blinded you to the dangers of them.
No; I drive a car, tho I fear it not.
More people have been killed n injured by cars than by guns.



RexRed wrote:
Your fear seems to have overwhelmed your sense of reason.
No. I live in a state of fearlessness and tranquility.
The Authors of the Bill of Rights were not in a state of fear.
Do u dispute that?? I will admit, in the fullness of candor,
that when I was 8, I felt a little un-easy for a few weeks
about how I 'd defend my home, if that became necessary; (it never did).
That fear abruptly abated when I acquired my first .38 revolver.




RexRed wrote:
It is like driving down the road and you can't see the stop sign right
in front of you because instead you are looking way off in the distance.
I 'll try to be careful; thanx for the warning.



Quote:
My homosexuality as a teen did not lead to the death of someone else.
Rex, it saddens me that your statement shows
that I failed to make my point. U posted that:
RexRed wrote:
I also favor a total gun ban for adolescents,
just as alcohol, cigarettes and automobiles are regulated.
My remark about your homosexuality was intended to bring out the point
that gun bans for adolescents woud be ineffective the same as u ignored
the laws against homosexuality. Its natural to ignore such laws.




RexRed wrote:
But teen alcohol often leads to death and other serious health issues,
teens with weapons are the number 2 killer of teens.
Yes; thay 've had wars for lucrative urban drug turf.





RexRed wrote:
Underage drinking risks include:

Death – 5,000 people under age 21 die each year from alcohol-related car crashes,
homicides, suicides, alcohol poisoning, and other injuries such as falls,
burns, and drowning.
People are within their rights
to end their human lives; thus, suicide shud not be included in the count.





RexRed wrote:
Serious injuries – More than 190,000 people under age 21 visited
an emergency room for alcohol-related injuries in 2008 alone.

Impaired judgment – Drinking can cause kids to make poor decisions,
which can then result in risky behavior like drinking and driving,
sexual activity, or violence. Increased risk for physical and sexual
assault – Youth who drink are more likely to carry out or be the victim
of a physical or sexual assault.

Brain development problems – Research shows that brain development
continues well into a person’s twenties. Alcohol can affect this
development, and contribute to a range of problems.

Comment: And... how can you reasonably equate homosexual LOVE
with suicide and accidental death by a firearm?
Mutual homosexual love has never hurt anyone ever...
I did not "equate" that, Rex.
I did not say anything about that. I know of no reason to "equate" them.
I only observed that such prohibitions are and have been ignored.
Similarly, other prohibitions have been ignored; that is not the only one.






RexRed wrote:
Laws are supposed to be just.
Gun bans for teenagers or anyone are not "just"
because government is going into partnership with violent criminals
against victims of future crime, to DISarm the victims,
so that the criminal predators are safe from their defenses. That is un-just. Yes??




RexRed wrote:
Prohibiting homosexuality is unjust but prohibiting accidental death
by juvenile horseplay and suicide with a firearm is common sense.
No. People are within their rights to end their human lives.
Whether thay choose to do it by jumping out the window,
or by using a gun is their private business (tho jumping out
the window can BECOME someone else 's business).




RexRed wrote:
The Constitution of The United States of America dictates
that the elected officials are to enforce rule of law in order to prevent
total anarchy and chaos.
I 've read it a few times; it does not say that.
It says that government has no jurisdiction over possession of weapons.





RexRed wrote:
Gun violence at the current degree is diametrically opposed to this
rule of law and thus requires government to "govern" ... What other
alternative is there to our government, a totalitarian oligarchy?
No a weak n feeble government: the Land of the Free
and the Home of the Brave. The weaker is its jurisdiction,
the STRONGER is our personal freedom, including defensive freedom.



RexRed wrote:
See if they let you have your guns for "protection"...
See if thay let u make love to boys.




RexRed wrote:
It seems you would rather be without a government
and rule of law than lose your guns.
Yes. Do u think that the citizens of the USSR or of the 3rd Reich
woud have been better off with no government, instead?? I do.



RexRed wrote:
That is about as farsighted as one can get.
Yes; I want the Individual citizen to keep his mighty boot
upon the neck of government, which is our lowly slave.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 22 Dec, 2013 09:06 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
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If HE had an accident,
that does NOT void or nullify MY Constitutional Rights, Rex.

I STILL have my rights, regardless of his misfortune.
When Clinton had his little Miss-adventure with Monica,
did that end any of YOUR Constitutional rights, Rex?





David
RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 22 Dec, 2013 09:45 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

RexRed wrote:
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If HE had an accident,
that does NOT void or nullify MY Constitutional Rights, Rex.

I STILL have my rights, regardless of his misfortune.
When Clinton had his little Miss-adventure with Monica,
did that end any of YOUR Constitutional rights, Rex?





David


Shoot a guy in the face and then respect his opinion about gun control? No thanks. Like appointing Dick Cheney as a peace ambassador...

Or getting tooth brushing advice from someone with rotten teeth.

Or getting substance abuse abstinence tips from a wino.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 12:16 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
Shoot a guy in the face and then respect his opinion about gun control? No thanks.
Consider the underlying logic
and please get back to me: a message on gun control
or on anything else shud be judged on its own individual merits,
not on by whom the message is delivered. Kings used to kill messengers of un-welcome information,
and the horses thay rode in on.




RexRed wrote:
Like appointing Dick Cheney as a peace ambassador...
He wud surely REFUSE to represent obama.
He 'd not accept the job; no chance.
I m pretty sure that he does not need the work.




RexRed wrote:
Or getting tooth brushing advice from someone with rotten teeth.
He can have good information on what can go rong,
either from his own experience or from his researching the subject. Yes???





RexRed wrote:
Or getting substance abuse abstinence tips from a wino.
A good friend of mine was an alcoholic and he
went to school and became a very respected anti-drug
and anti-alcohol counsellor. Many, many such counsellors have
such personal histories; very, very common.
OmSigDAVID
 
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 04:24 am
@OmSigDAVID,
My (rexred) comments are in the color red.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Shoot a guy in the face and then respect his opinion about gun control? No thanks.
Consider the underlying logic
and please get back to me: a message on gun control
or on anything else shud be judged on its own individual merits,
not on by whom the message is delivered. Kings used to kill messengers of un-welcome information,
and the horses thay rode in on.

Why not ask Charles Manson about the merits of the individuals right to the pursuit of happiness while yer at it?


RexRed wrote:
Like appointing Dick Cheney as a peace ambassador...
He wud surely REFUSE to represent obama.
He 'd not accept the job; no chance.
I m pretty sure that he does not need the work.

I believe the feeling is mutual, Obama would never appoint Cheney to an office in his cabinet...

RexRed wrote:
Or getting tooth brushing advice from someone with rotten teeth.
He can have good information on what can go rong,
either from his own experience or from his researching the subject. Yes???

Don't do as I do? Is that really a convincing argument to you? One who thinks teens should not follow the laws designed to keep them alive? Your credibility is zero along with Dick's.

RexRed wrote:
Or getting substance abuse abstinence tips from a wino.
A good friend of mine was an alcoholic and he
went to school and became a very respected anti-drug
and anti-alcohol counsellor. Many, many such counsellors have
such personal histories; very, very common.

Your friend WAS an alcoholic, I don't recall Dick Cheney swearing off all hunting... and attending NON-NRA meetings religiously to atone for his, err, accident. No, instead he is still drunk with satisfaction with the warm gun still in his hand...
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 04:53 am
@RexRed,
My (rexred) comments are in the color red.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Shoot a guy in the face and then respect his opinion about gun control? No thanks.
Consider the underlying logic
and please get back to me: a message on gun control
or on anything else shud be judged on its own individual merits,
not on by whom the message is delivered. Kings used to kill messengers of un-welcome information,
and the horses thay rode in on.

RexRed wrote:
Why not ask Charles Manson about the merits
of the individuals right to the pursuit of happiness while yer at it?
Because he is not able to reason.
Gibberish comes from his mouth.
I 've never had much confidence in Charles Manson.




RexRed wrote:
Or getting tooth brushing advice from someone with rotten teeth.
He can have good information on what can go rong,
either from his own experience or from his researching the subject. Yes???

RexRed wrote:
Don't do as I do? Is that really a convincing argument to you?
Sometimes. I judge the advice
on its own merits, rather than from whom it issues.


RexRed wrote:
One who thinks teens should not follow the laws designed to keep them alive?
Yes; we shud all have contempt for government.
Let me remind u AGAIN of your own refusal to obay
anti-homosexuality laws in your youth; u chose to decide for yourself.

People shud decide what is best for themselves,
not have some damned politicians do it.





RexRed wrote:
Your credibility is zero along with Dick's.[/color]
Speak for yourself.

RexRed wrote:
Or getting substance abuse abstinence tips from a wino.
A good friend of mine was an alcoholic and he
went to school and became a very respected anti-drug
and anti-alcohol counsellor. Many, many such counsellors have
such personal histories; very, very common.

Your friend WAS an alcoholic, I don't recall Dick Cheney swearing off all hunting... and attending NON-NRA meetings religiously to atone for his, err, accident.
He has no reason to do that.
He has nothing to be ashamed of; that 's how accidents are. Forget them and enjoy life.
The guy who was hit is not complaining; what do YOU care??
He did not shoot YOU! Is it your business??


RexRed wrote:
No, instead he is still drunk with satisfaction with the warm gun still in his hand... [/color]
Of course, Y not???
If u had a traffic accident, wud u stop driving ????
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2013 09:11 pm
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 25 Dec, 2013 11:46 pm
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 26 Dec, 2013 10:50 pm
Did you get a gun for Christmas?

Then you're treating it like a toy.

And any other toy that killed that many kids would have been recalled years ago.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 26 Dec, 2013 11:03 pm
@RexRed,
I got a Magpul MOE Hand Guard, Carbine length and a rail kit for Christmas. Does that still count as a toy?
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 27 Dec, 2013 12:46 am
@McGentrix,
Do you really think making light of dead children is a joke?
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 27 Dec, 2013 02:02 am
Two month old baby girl shot dead on Christmas Eve by family member after handgun goes off accidentally
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2529115/Two-month-old-baby-girl-shot-dead-Christmas-Eve-family-member-handgun-goes-accidentally.html#ixzz2ojWvDjQL
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 27 Dec, 2013 09:18 am
Cops: 4 dead, including suspect's wife and ex-mother-in-law, in Louisiana shootings
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/27/22069385-cops-4-dead-including-suspects-wife-and-ex-mother-in-law-in-louisiana-shootings?lite



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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 27 Dec, 2013 05:16 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:

Do you really think making light of dead children is a joke?


No, but making light of your opinions is.
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