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Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 03:14 am

John Cooke holds two 30-round magazines in his hands. In one hand is
a 30-round magazine purchased before July 1st, when Colorado’s new
gun laws took effect and banned purchases of magazines larger than
15-rounds. In his other hand is a 30-round magazine that “maybe”
(Cooke is not getting into specifics) was purchased after the deadline.
Two magazines, virtually identical in every aspect, except one is legal
and the other is not. Cooke, who serves as Sheriff of Colorado’s Weld
County, says that’s exactly his point. His deputies cannot enforce the
law if the law is so vague as to make it practically impossible to
distinguish what’s legal from what is illegal. Therefore, Cooke, along
with all but seven of Colorado’s 62 elected Sheriffs, are suing to block the law.


Last Saturday marked the one-year anniversary of the tragic shooting
in Newtown, Connecticut. In the year since a lone deranged individual
took the lives of 20 children and six adults, more than 1,500 gun bills
have been considered by state legislatures across the country.
According to USA Today, 109 of these measures became law; adding
to President Obama’s recent 23 Executive actions related to control
of firearms. Yet, to the dismay of Democrats, many of the laws are
having the opposite effect

Citizens are rebelling, and Democrats are losing their jobs.

In Colorado, for example, two elected Democrats already have been
recalled as a direct result of their support of the new gun ban; and a
third has resigned to avoid recall. The recall votes were successful
despite gun control organizations (including one run by outgoing New
York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg) outspending Second Amendment
activists seven-to-one. Even tens of millions of dollars was not enough
to save Democrats from pro-gun constituents infuriated with the
unconstitutional measures
.

Even when not successful, recall elections are sending a loud message.
In Exeter, Rhode Island, four of the five town council members nearly
faced a similar fate last week as the town decided whether to recall
the officials for anti-Second Amendment votes.

The gun industry is fighting back against anti-gun laws, as well.
Earlier this year, I wrote about how gun manufactures were taking
stands against new gun laws in their home states. Olympic Arms, for
example, refused to sell recently-banned items to police and
government officials, so long as private citizens were prohibited from
possessing the same items
. Other companies have moved their
business operations to more gun-friendly states. PTR Industries left
Connecticut for South Carolina, taking 40 jobs with it. “They are not
feeling loved right now in Connecticut,” South Carolina State
Representative Alan Clemmons, who helped bring PTR to the Carolinas,
told the New York Times; adding, “we’re delighted to have them.”

Dozens of other gun manufacturers are considering similar moves,
enticed by offers from pro-gun governors -- largely from southern
states -- who welcome the added jobs and revenues. According to the NRA,
Connecticut-based Stag Arms CEO Mark Malkowski said he had “about
one hundred offers” to relocate to a new state.

Congressional Democrats are using their state colleagues as the canary
in the coalmine for gun legislation, and the results are not positive for them.
This is perhaps why, following last week’s school shooting at Arapahoe
High School in Centennial, Colorado that was miraculously limited in
its scope, Democrats have remained largely silent. This differs from
previous shooting tragedies after which gun control advocates began
sending fundraising email even before the crime scenes were fully secure.

The Arapahoe shooter took his own life within two minutes of starting
his rampage, and after being cornered by an armed guard placed at
the school -- a safety measure proposed by the NRA following the
Newtown shooting. Even though the proposal for having trained and
armed personnel at schools was loudly derided by the Left, having
an armed guard at the school in Arapahoe saved lives.

Citizens and legislators at all levels of government, in conjunction
with firearms retailers and manufacturers, are fighting back as never
before against the relentless push by gun control advocates to infringe
our constitutionally-protected right to keep and bear arms. This is
good news for all Americans, whether they be gun owners or not.

Standing up for the Bill of Rights is never wrong.




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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 03:43 am
This is a "must read"...

'I can do anything I want on my property!' he screamed, and fired three more rounds. GunFAIL XLVIII
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/18/1261009/--I-can-do-anything-I-want-on-my-property-he-screamed-and-fired-three-more-rounds-GunFAIL-XLVIII?


excerpt:
PASO ROBLES, CA, 9/26/13: A rural Paso Robles man is awaiting trial after firing bullets into his neighbor’s home while target shooting. Dean Buckley, 59, of Whitley Gardens told police that he did not mean to hit his neighbor’s home while shooting at a water tank in his backyard. “I could easily have been getting a glass of water and taken a bullet to the head,” said Tom Normandy, Buckley’s neighbor. Normandy and his wife were sitting in their living room about 5:30 p.m. Sept. 26, when they heard a gunshot and something hit their home. A second gunshot sent a bullet flying through their kitchen window with a shatter, ricocheting off a wall and cabinet before landing on the kitchen floor. While his wife called 911, Normandy carefully entered his backyard in the direction of fire, yelling through the woods at his neighbor to stop shooting. He yelled that bullets were hitting his home. Normandy said Buckley screamed back, “I can do anything I want on my property,” and fired three more rounds.

also
The Orlando Sentinel reports that the numbers were even worse in Orange County, where half of all gunshot victims had been accidentally shot. At the same time, fatal accidental shootings skyrocketed, from a fairly regular rate of about two dozen a year, to a 2012 spike of 115.

Comment: More guns equal more accidental shootings... thanks, ninjas...
RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 03:59 am
NEW HAVEN, CT, 12/07/13: An 18-year-old Hillhouse High School student said he “accidentally pulled the trigger” of a pistol while engaged in “horseplay” with a 23-year-old friend—firing a shot that left his friend dead. The student, Shunravion Jackson, told that story to police, who arrested him on charges of second-degree manslaughter. That story—the third of three Jackson told police—appears in police reports made public Monday. His third story had him standing near the kitchen table “playing around” with Willett. Someone had a “small black pistol”; it “went off by accident.” Someone then placed the gun on the table. Jackson picked it up “with his right hand” while he “continued to horseplay” with Willett “by jumping on him and trying to give him a bear hug.” They faced each other, close, when Jackson “accidentally squeezed the trigger,” he told detectives. “I forgot I had the gun in my hand,” the report quotes Jackson as saying. “I didn’t know I hit nobody, and then I seen his face, and then he grabbed me, and said, ‘It’s all right, it’s all right.’” Jackson denied knowing to who the pistol belonged.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 04:26 am
There is a silver lining in all of this mayhem, many of these gun shots will end up as felonies which will bar people from not only owning guns but also from voting...

Sadly it will not being back the people who perished accidentally at the hand of a friend or loved one.

...the pursuit of happiness obscured by an out of control second amendment and far right, glamorized gun consumerism...
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 05:30 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
Comment: More guns equal more accidental shootings... thanks, ninjas...
Is that like saying that more cars
equal more accidental collisions ?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 05:33 am
@RexRed,
Since I was a boy, I have especially enjoyed the 2nd Amendment at Christmas Time.





David
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 03:57 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Well that may actually also be true... more juveniles and mentally unstable drivers statistically show there are more collisions.

As said before in this thread, auto accidents are the number one killer of teens next to accidental shootings.

article excerpt
Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for U.S. teens.1 In 2010, seven teens ages 16 to 19 died every day from motor vehicle injuries.

article excerpt
Suicide is the number two killer of teens. (usually gun assisted)

This would follow suit to mentally unstable individuals who would also be more likely to die in a car crash or by gun.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 04:46 pm
@RexRed,
In your boyhood, did u enjoy the 2nd Amendment at Christmas Time ?





David
RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 06:02 pm
I would like to re-post something I today posted in my "Does God Exist" thread.

I woke up this morning and it was an epiphany regarding DNA memory such that I think is apropos to this discussion.

I wrote in Does God Exist:
It is most likely that some "scientific barbarity" (evil atheists) stems from some form of religious barbarity. Hitler's science comes to mind. Yet today Germany is nearly all solar powered (scientifically adept) but still struggles with "skinhead racism".

Humans evolved from barbarity, to religious barbarity and then to science.

Some humans still maintain the memories of these past barbarities while some were, even in the earlier of barbarities, able to escape the norm and rise above it towards a more civilized existence.

We see ancient cultures who were warlike, cannibals and highly superstitious, while at the same times other cultures were more peaceful less superstitious and industrious. These characteristics are carried on though generational DNA memory to the present day...

This is not to say one culture is bad and other's are better but to say even within cultures some "individuals" are favored and avoid barbarity while some do not.

This is why an atheist can be barbaric, not because of atheism but because of past barbarity retained from religion or even earlier that is a kick back through DNA memory.

My new comment for this thread:
Why are so many American's running around with guns shooting themselves and each other?

Science recently has found that mice retain the "DNA memories" going back at least four generations.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=fearful-memories-passed-down (I couldn't get this link to load but I think it is the article I read a few days ago.)

Well if this carries over to humans, what were American's (both black and white) doing four generations ago? Well Indians (indigenous people to America and European colonists) and the white man were shooting each other to death with guns.

In this conflict we had gun manufacturers to make the guns and doctors to mend the wounds while states people tried to make sense of the entire mess with words like "reason and justice"...

These conflicts still rage from the past DNA of people. Just as millennia before society was divided up by shaman and apostle, rabbi and follower, teacher students, hunter and family.

All with the law of survival itself weeding out the weak.

So let's move a head some to the Civil War (though not very civilized).

Some humans had DNA memory that racism was right. They were unable to get past the tribal thing due also to past memories of warlike prejudice. The offspring of slave traders became slave owners.

Something in their DNA made them feel this bigotry was right while for its victims (Black people), distrust was typically reinforced in their DNA.

So generations ago we have gun makers and their skill-sets... The great grand children of gun manufacturers are still promoting their guns today while babbling on about "the second amendment". They are forceably persuaded by their past DNA and not the actual efficacy and moral fortitude of equality laws.

Why are Americans obese? A generation ago we had a great depression where our grandparents existed on less than what is required for daily sustenance. This did not produce a more frugal people but a people paranoid about running out of food and over eating to extinguish this fear.

The Civil War did not produce a less paranoid peaceful society but a society more in fear of not being armed enough.

So how did I become so anti gun? I recently found that my great great grandfather (my mother's great grandfather on her father's side) was a civil war physician from New York State. As cavalry he traversed the battlefield tending to the wounded. I avoided this gun rage because he set a generational example for me.

My great grandfather, John R. Charlesworth (my mother's grandfather on her father's side), was the editor for the Kentucky Blue Grass Blade.
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn86069867/

He became the second editor about half way thought the paper's history.

This newspaper was one of the first liberal news papers in the country that had a nationwide reader base. He was self admittedly not a communist but some had their suspicions. My great grandfather John R. was also one of the key founders of "The Rationalist Society of America". http://rs-a.org/ (I think this is them) He traveled around the country giving lectures and reading essays about how many things in the Bible did not meet the rationalist's litmus test.

His wife Isis Blanch Martin was the first librarian at the Wichita Kansas library. Isis was written up in the local paper as the first woman to ride through an American town to work on her bicycle dressed in her bloomers and not a dress! She also inspired woman in the feminist movement to eventually start wearing pants and is especially revered by some for that reason.... Hillary Clinton and her pant suits come to mind. This is probably why I strongly and outspokenly champion woman's rights.

Isis could not drink her morning coffee without the news paper, and at the local paper they were made well aware of this fact by Isis herself. Smile

Though John was scorned at the time by the religious elite and by some he was probably labeled a heretic, his ideas about religion are now mainstream to most Americans (especially the left wing of our political system). He was also a federal judge.

Then there are the various musicians in my family which is also my own lot in life.

There are my devout catholic grandmother and grandfather on my mom's side who were from Slovakia. My mom's mother's Slovakian father was a cigar salesman This explains my infatuation with cigars... I sensibly don't smoke them due to health reasons but I REALLY wish I could. Smile

My great grandfather on my father's side was a school teacher in Norway.

My father and mother's father were both sea captains in the merchant marines.

Before my mother's father was in the merchant marines he was in the US Navy where his vessel in a supply convoy to England was shot down and sunk by a German U-boat. He was stranded in water in the Atlantic ocean where he was picked up by an Irish fishing boat. Later he was dropped off on the shores of Dunkirk.

My song: "Dreams of Water"
http://www.reverbnation.com/rexredmusicartist/song/16067140-dreams-of-water

My father came over on Ellis Island at age 17 from Norway around 1920 he sailed in the merchant marines from that time until he retired at 63.

This is probably why I write songs about water and have deep rooted concerns about oceanic conservation.

My mother a was a home body house wife and mother of 7 children and volunteer ambulance attendant and volunteered for every social club and event she could.

My mother was a worthy matron in the Easter Star and my father a Shriner. My father was once a Lutheran but lost interest and my mother a soloist in the local Congregational church choir. She was an active member of the Ladies Aid and she also volunteered for the 4H and local County Extension, Cub Scout den mother, organizer of Fourth of July parades. etc... My mother took Hammond organ playing lesson while I was in her womb. This is probably why I use Hammond organs in nearly all of my songs...

We embody these memories though unconsciously they are with us.

I don't really see any guns my family history other than, my father owned a 12 gauge shotgun and I remember sneaking in with my brother and playing with it.

My father used the gun for hunting and he took me out with him a few times and I totally loathed the experience. This perhaps was a great wedge between my father's past and my own although I had great respect for the man.

There is a saying that "the best way to judge the future is by the past.".

It seems this is not more evident than today where we seek Americans struggling to overcome centuries of war and violence towards others and doing poorly at it.

Every day there is the threat of more war and the fear that future generations will be hell bent on proving they are civilized by the use of violence to rationalize their existence...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 06:32 pm
Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 06:43 pm
Correction:

I wrote: There are my devout catholic grandmother and grandfather on my mom's side who were from Slovakia.

Correction: There are my devout catholic great grandmother and grandfather on my mother's mother's side who were from Slovakia.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 09:02 pm
Another correction:
My great grandfather on my father's side was a school teacher in Norway.

Rather:
My grandfather on my father's side...

My father was born in 1905.

Hard to keep all this sorted out. Smile

There are few other minor typos that I will not bother to note. I should have read it a few more times before I posted.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 09:14 pm
In a nutshell the point I was trying to make is that, perhaps my anti gun stance is something I inherited from my Civil War great, great grand dad of the Union Army on my mom's side of the family who was a doctor and saw first hand the carnage of war and I would imagine vowed never to become as barbaric as the world around him. I like to believe this is the way it happened.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 01:07 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

In your boyhood, did u enjoy the 2nd Amendment at Christmas Time ?





David


Why would you ask that, is this a trick question?

Christmas is a celebration of the Prince of Peace, not the NRA...

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 02:02 am

The Washington Times
By Valerie Richardson

CENTENNIAL, Colo. —
It’s a stark fact that is fueling an already intense debate about gun rights
in this state: It was an armed deputy who stopped the Arapahoe High
School gunman last week from unleashing a deadly massacre
,
not the expansive new gun control laws approved by Colorado
Democrats in March in reaction to two mass shootings.

That is the increasingly inescapable takeaway as details emerge
from the school shooting Friday, when the 18-year-old gunman injured
another student at random before turning the gun on himself in
the school library as the armed deputy was closing in on him.


The gun control laws didn’t make a difference,” said state
Sen. Greg Brophy, a Republican who is seeking his party’s nomination
for governor next year. “What made a difference was a person in the
building who was armed and who rushed to end the threat.”


Even Gov. John Hickenlooper, the Democrat who signed three gun
control bills in March at considerable political risk, acknowledged on
CBS‘ “Face the Nation” on Sunday that the laws “in this specific case
aren’t going to make a difference at all.”

The governor and others have credited Arapahoe County Sheriff’s
Deputy James Englert, who was assigned to the school, with forcing
the gunman’s hand by rushing toward the library, shouting at bystanders
to get back, and identifying himself as law enforcement.

Eighty seconds after entering the school, the shooter killed himself.
The deputy’s response “was a critical element in the shooter’s decision
to take his own life,” said Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson.

The gunman, senior Karl Pierson, shot 17-year-old Claire Davis as she
sat in the hallway. She is listed in critical condition and in a coma
after undergoing surgery for a head wound.

Pierson had called out the name of the school’s librarian and debate
team coach, but information released Tuesday indicates that he was
planning to do more than attack one faculty member. In addition to
a 12-gauge shotgun, he carried about 125 rounds of ammunition, three
Molotov cocktails and a machete
.

On his arm, he had written in indelible ink five classroom numbers and
a phrase in Latin that translates to “the die has been cast,” according
to the sheriff’s office.

“I believe he came to have a massacre at the school, and I thank God
that Englert was there to stop him,” parent Cathleen Cancannon told
Denver’s 7News.

Democrats pushed three gun control bills through the state legislature
in reaction to two mass shootings last year over the objections of Republicans,
who predicted the measures would do nothing to prevent such tragedies.

Tom Mauser, a spokesman for Colorado Ceasefire, said the newly
enacted laws are important from a public-safety standpoint even
if they failed to stop the Arapahoe gunman.

It’s not a claim that these gun laws are going to stop any mass
shooting from occurring
,”
said Mr. Mauser, whose son Daniel
was killed in the 1999 Columbine High School massacre. “Obviously,
having the death penalty doesn’t stop murders from happening.”

He said he supports having officers with guns at schools, but added
that Columbine had an armed deputy who failed to stop the shooting.

“Having an armed resource officer is fine, but we shouldn’t live under
the illusion we’re going to stop every incident,” Mr. Mauser said.

Mr. Brophy said he sees a switch from the arguments made by gun
control advocates and Democrats during the 2013 legislative session,
when they insisted that the legislation was needed to prevent mass shootings.

“The justification for bringing these [bills] up was Newtown,
Columbine, Aurora,” said Mr. Brophy. “If they’re admitting that the
purpose of these bills was not to stop these crimes from happening in
the future, it makes me think the real reason for running these bills
was to disarm everyone.”


The National Rifle Association, in its response to the deadly Newtown,
Conn., elementary school shooting in December 2012, proposed a
National School Shield Emergency Response Program in which qualified
police, military, security personnel and others would organize to protect schools.

In a statement widely criticized by gun control groups, NRA Executive
Vice President Wayne LaPierre said at a news conference a week after
the Newtown tragedy, The only thing that stops a bad guy with
a gun is a good guy with a gun
.”


The new Colorado laws mandated background checks for all sales and
transfers, including temporary transfers; required gun buyers to pay
for their background checks; and limited ammunition-magazine
capacity to 15 rounds or fewer. None of those provisions stopped the
Arapahoe gunman, who had no criminal record and purchased buckshot,
steel-shot and slugs instead of ammunition magazines.

The gun control bills triggered a populist backlash that resulted in
the recalls of two Democrats from the state Senate
, the first
legislative recalls in Colorado history. A third state senator resigned
Nov. 27 before recall petitions were submitted
.

[All emfasis has been added by David.]
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 02:08 am
@RexRed,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

In your boyhood, did u enjoy the 2nd Amendment at Christmas Time ?





David
RexRed wrote:
Why would you ask that, is this a trick question?
No.



RexRed wrote:
Christmas is a celebration of the Prince of Peace, not the NRA...
(Life Memberships in NRA make wonderful Christmas Presents for Christmas Present.)
Jesus said that if u don t own a sword, then u better buy one. Luke 22:36





David
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 06:15 pm
Shots Fired at Southwest Center Mall in Dallas
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Shots-Fired-at-Southwest-Center-Mall-in-Dallas-236772011.html

Would you like some ammo with those fries?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2013 10:52 pm
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:
Shots Fired at Southwest Center Mall in Dallas
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Shots-Fired-at-Southwest-Center-Mall-in-Dallas-236772011.html

Would you like some ammo with those fries?
YES: .44 special with hollowpointed slugs
with W - I - D - E Cavities !

Make them SILVER, in case of werewolves, please!





David
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2013 02:37 am
Lawmaker gun loophole tested with resignation
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/lawmaker-gun-loophole-tested-with-resignation-97612867621

Newtown teen leads gun-safety youth movement
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/gun-reform-movement-spreads-among-students-97613891581
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 21 Dec, 2013 05:13 pm
@RexRed,
Rex, do u favor discrimination?
Do u dis-favor EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAWS ?
IF that fellow goes fishing or running and he is attacked by wolves or a cougar,
shud he be able to successfully defend himself,
or must he surrender to be eaten, at their discretion ????

What does the Supreme Law of the Land have to say about that?? Please advise.





David
 

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