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Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 02:22 pm
@Baldimo,
Of course it is hyperbole. You prove it with your slippery slope argument.


But let's have some more hyperbole -
Once gun nuts realize that good guys with guns don't always stop bad guys with guns, they will require everyone to be armed.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 02:40 pm
@parados,
Do you honestly think a 10 round limit in a mag is going to stop gun violence?
parados
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 08:35 am
@Baldimo,
So your argument is that the size of the mag has no bearing in how many rounds someone can fire over the course of a few minutes?

Reducing the number of rounds someone can fire won't stop gun violence but it will likely reduce the number of rounds a single person can fire in an incident. Is is worth reducing the number of deaths from 12 to 6? Do you really need to use 19 rounds when hunting? Do you really think you are at risk of being attacked by groups of 20 people?
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 09:27 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
Do you really need to use 19 rounds when hunting?

Depends on the hunting. Some varmint hunters fire hundreds of rounds in a single afternoon.


parados wrote:
Do you really think you are at risk of being attacked by groups of 20 people?

Handguns are underpowered and often require multiple good hits to stop an attacker. 20 rounds from a handgun won't be reliable defense against 20 attackers.

But yes. People defending their business from rioters may very well need to defend against 20 attackers at once.

That said, I think a reasonable compromise will be to subject the police (both federal and local) to the same gun restrictions that the populace has to comply with. If it turns out that the police are able to cope with a 10 round magazine restriction, then perhaps we can consider that it is OK for self defense too. But if 10 rounds is an unacceptable limitation for police, then it is surely too restrictive for self defense as well.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 09:38 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Depends on the hunting. Some varmint hunters fire hundreds of rounds in a single afternoon.

And? I never had any problem reloading in order to get off hundreds of rounds shooting gophers. Are you afraid the varmints will attack you before you can reload?


Quote:

But yes. People defending their business from rioters may very well need to defend against 20 attackers at once.
A simple pump shotgun would be much more effective.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 09:57 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
A simple pump shotgun would be much more effective.

Not against a large group of rioters. Best to get an assault rifle and load the magazines with deer hunting ammo.

.260 Remington would be just about perfect.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 09:59 am
@oralloy,
A shotgun is much better to prevent harm to yourself and your property since it can be used on large groups that are close. It seems your goal is to kill as many people as possible from a distance.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 10:03 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
A shotgun is much better to prevent harm to yourself and your property since it can be used on large groups that are close.

A shotgun has bad recoil, limited ammo capacity, and no ability to penetrate Kevlar.


parados wrote:
It seems your goal is to kill as many people as possible from a distance.

The goal is to defend against as many people as possible.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 10:11 am
@oralloy,
Quote:

A shotgun has bad recoil, limited ammo capacity, and no ability to penetrate Kevlar.


So your concern is rioters wearing Kevlar? You are certainly painting yourself as someone so out of touch with reality, that you probably shouldn't have a gun.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 10:23 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
So your concern is rioters wearing Kevlar?

No. Kevlar is more likely in a home invasion robbery.

But it is good to be prepared for the unforeseen. And it is one of the advantages that an assault rifle has over a shotgun.


parados wrote:
You are certainly painting yourself as someone so out of touch with reality,

I'm not the one who suggested that a shotgun would be better than an assault rifle for defense against numerous rioters.


parados wrote:
that you probably shouldn't have a gun.

The NRA will protect my rights from any attempt you make to violate them.
RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 10:34 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

Quote:

A shotgun has bad recoil, limited ammo capacity, and no ability to penetrate Kevlar.


So your concern is rioters wearing Kevlar? You are certainly painting yourself as someone so out of touch with reality, that you probably shouldn't have a gun.


I hear ya Parados, the NRA proposes a one stop shop, they profit from the sale of guns and ammo to republican freaks (mentally unstable) and then profit AGAIN from the fear they spread to buy Kevlar pants, shirts, hats, shoes, coats, gloves, underwear, umbrellas etc... It may be uncomfortable swimming on the beach and going to the movies wearing all this gear but nothing should get in the way of their bottom line of making a fast buck on death. After all the US Constitution guarantees their right to terrorize and deceive people with their gross military profit machine.

http://rlv.zcache.co.uk/kevlar_cap-r619db24461c745fd9efee898a08f5e5e_v9wfy_8byvr_324.jpg

Don't go into the pool without it...
RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 10:46 am
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 10:49 am
@oralloy,
I am curious when a home invasion occurred with someone wearing Kevlar. You are far more likely to shoot yourself with an "empty" gun.
RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 11:00 am
@parados,
Well they even have Kevlar jogging pants so when one goes to the gym they don't get caught in a republican sponsored and encouraged "take our country back" mass shooting.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 11:55 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
I am curious when a home invasion occurred with someone wearing Kevlar.

Probably the last time there was a home invasion type of robbery. Those sorts of robbers like to gear up so they can try to overcome the homeowners' defenses. That's why they do home invasion type robberies in the first place.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 12:32 pm
@oralloy,
I am surprised with all these robbers wearing kevlar that there is no story in the news.

However I can find stories of gun owners shooting themselves or someone else almost every week.
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/jul/07/man-accidentally-shoots-self-while-taking-gun-apart/313347/
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 12:37 pm
@parados,
You didn't answer the question? If 10 rounds doesn't get the results they want, do they next move to 5 round mags? CA already has their bullet button lock system and that doesn't seem to have given them the results they want, so now they are moving to limit the amount of rounds you can have in a mag.

Where does it end when it doesn't work out like they want it to?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 12:40 pm
@RexRed,
You wonder why there is no civil debate on guns when you post stupid **** like this? You wonder why we don't trust you guys with laws on guns. You can't even give an accurate account of how things really are. It's all bombastic lies with not even a shred of truth to them.

You act as if no Dems or liberals purchase guns. What a loon.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 01:40 pm
@Baldimo,
Your slippery slope argument shows what? That your hyperbole isn't based in fact?
parados
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 01:42 pm
@Baldimo,
Let's see if the number of mass shootings go down before we argue the next step, shall we?

Do you agree that the more bullets in a magazine, the more shots that can be fired in a given time?
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