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Guns And The Laws That Govern Them

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2015 03:28 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
It does say "the right of the people".

As I understand the constitution, based on my reading of the Federalist Papers, at the time the Constitution was written the militia was the people.
Every male over 16 was considered part of the militia, especially since the US was mostly frontier at the time, and small towns and villages still suffered from indian attacks.

Of course, I could be wrong, and if I am I am sure one of the many constitutional experts here will tell me.

Mostly right, but a little bit wrong.

The need to defend against Native Americans was not the reason for the militia. They could have chosen to have a strong standing army had they wanted, and that could have fulfilled the role of defense and protection.

They chose to have a strong militia as part of a conscious decision to not have a strong standing army. That's why many of the quotes from the era which extolled the virtues of the militia, also condemned standing armies as the bane of liberty.

You are correct about them making the entire population members of the militia.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2015 05:39 pm
Kroger Open Carry Gun Nuts Fail To Prevent Yet Another Shooting (VIDEO)
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/18/kroger-open-carry-gun-nuts-fail-to-prevent-yet-another-shooting-video/
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FBM
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jan, 2015 09:34 pm
Before I post this, I want to clarify that I don't advocate for either extreme in this debate. I think sometimes people's representations of the other side are so distorted as to be caricatures, and I don't think that helps advance the dialog.

WARNING: SOMEWHAT GRAPHIC FOR SOME, MAYBE. NOT SURE.



oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jan, 2015 11:04 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
I think sometimes people's representations of the other side are so distorted as to be caricatures, and I don't think that helps advance the dialog.

In this case, there is no dialog to advance.

There is no point in talking to gun control advocates. They must simply be defeated outright.
RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2015 10:00 pm
5-YEAR-OLD SHOOTS INFANT BROTHER IN THE HEAD WITH UNSECURED GUN
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/guns/5-year-old-shoots-infant-brother-in-the-head-with-unsecured-gun/

Another dead baby, courtesy of Gun Nut ‘Merica.

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/image18-690x460.jpg

I apologize if this seems crass. Sad
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FBM
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2015 10:04 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

FBM wrote:
I think sometimes people's representations of the other side are so distorted as to be caricatures, and I don't think that helps advance the dialog.

In this case, there is no dialog to advance.

There is no point in talking to gun control advocates. They must simply be defeated outright.


There is most likely a moderate position that stands a chance, if only people would address the problem with more reason and less emotion. Just my take on it.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2015 10:49 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
There is most likely a moderate position that stands a chance, if only people would address the problem with more reason and less emotion. Just my take on it.

That word "if" is key. You are talking about something that will never happen.

And I for one am no longer even interested in trying to bridge the gap.

I regard gun control activists the same way the Allies regarded the Axis at the beginning of 1945: An enemy that is to repugnant to even talk to, and which is all but defeated.
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2015 10:54 pm
@oralloy,
Yeah, I gave up arguing about it with anybody, really. The problem with being a moderate is that you catch venomous **** from both sides and fellow moderates don't tend to be so caught up in the emotion that they step in and lend support.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2015 06:50 pm
Two dead after shooting at NYC Home Depot
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/home-depot-nyc-shooting

This gun owner was protecting themselves from the government! (cynical)
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2015 08:30 am
@RexRed,
RexRed wrote:

Two dead after shooting at NYC Home Depot
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/home-depot-nyc-shooting

This gun owner was protecting themselves from the government! (cynical)


Joe Nation (Jonathan) works in that store. I'm trying to get in touch with him now.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2015 09:04 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Two dead after shooting at NYC Home Depot
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/home-depot-nyc-shooting

This gun owner was protecting themselves from the government! (cynical)


Joe Nation (Jonathan) works in that store. I'm trying to get in touch with him now.


Keep us up to date if you find something out Frank.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2015 09:50 am
@McGentrix,
He just contacted me.

He's okay... but was there when it happened.

He'll tell us what happened. I expect he will post something soon.

But he is okay.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jan, 2015 11:06 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
He just contacted me.

He's okay... but was there when it happened.

He'll tell us what happened. I expect he will post something soon.

But he is okay.

He posted about it briefly in the snowstorm thread. No real details about the shooting though.

It might deserve a thread all its own, with the community tag, but I'll leave that decision up to him or you.

Now that I'm thinking about it, you might be in the way of that snowstorm too. I gather it might hit at least part of New Jersey.

Make sure you're well prepared. Good luck. And if possible, try to use it as an unexpected opportunity to have fun.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2015 05:36 pm
Good thing NJ has those strict gun laws...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/18/flintlock-from-1700s-could-land-elderly-nj-man-in-prison/
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 24 Feb, 2015 09:21 am
Better Than Somalia -- How to Feel Good About Gun Violence
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-defilippis/better-than-somalia-how-to-feel-good_b_6717972.html
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2015 11:39 am
Working guns prohibited at NRA convention
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/working-guns-prohibited-nra-convention?cid=sm_fb_maddow

Double standard here?

We (the NRA) lobby to send gun nuts into your restaurants and city halls with loaded guns but we regulate the guns at gun conventions?!!

Now who is regulating the right to bear arms here?

When it comes to getting their own ass shot up the truth comes out...

The NRA does not stand for the right to bear arms, they stand for making a profit off people's fears surrounding the issue.

I am sure there will be (at least) one crazy conservative stupid enough to fire the first shot at an NRA convention. What would ensue after that would be more entertaining than watching people shoot rats at the town dump.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2015 12:15 pm
@RexRed,
As always, you and Rachel are really off the mark with what is going on.

Working guns are allowed on the floor. You can carry at the event as long as you follow the laws of KY. The line you are trying to push only applies to those guns that are on display and or for sale. In which case federal laws apply to how those are purchased and handed over to the purchaser.

http://bearingarms.com/nra-isnt-banning-carry-guns-convention/
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 12 Apr, 2015 09:59 am
Father Of Campus Shooting Victim: Arming College Students Is ‘A Solution From The 18th Century’
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/04/12/3646034/richard-martinez-nra/
Baldimo
 
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Reply Sun 12 Apr, 2015 11:23 am
@RexRed,
All emotion and no facts. Whatever laws apply to the ability to carry in public apply to on campus as well. More than likely you have to be 21 to even own a handgun and then you have to get the permit to carry it which there are laws on as well. You love to wax on with your BS descriptions of wild west shootouts, when such things have NEVER happened. You guys have some sort of fantasy about those who legally carry guns and or have carry permits.

This story can't even be honest and tell it's readers that the guy stabbed 3 people to death before he shot and killed 3 others. 7 dead includes himself. Rank dishonesty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings
parados
 
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Reply Sun 12 Apr, 2015 01:12 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
You love to wax on with your BS descriptions of wild west shootouts, when such things have NEVER happened.

Never? I am sure I have heard more than one story of conceal/carry holders resorting to gun play where they instigate it.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/jury-convicts-milwaukee-concealed-carry-permit-holder-in-fatal-shooting-b99180038z1-239316951.html
 

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