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Tragic Terrorist Attack in Boston

 
 
JTT
 
  0  
Tue 23 Apr, 2013 08:43 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
But little did any of us know that they were BUSH'S CHECHENS!


Okay, I've given you and Roger long enough. There's less than a snowball's chance in hell that either of you would come anywhere close to providing the truth.

Quote:
The Chechens' American friends
The Washington neocons' commitment to the war on terror evaporates in Chechnya, whose cause they have made their own

John Laughland
The Guardian, Wednesday 8 September 2004 23.59 BST


An enormous head of steam has built up behind the view that President Putin is somehow the main culprit in the grisly events in North Ossetia. Soundbites and headlines such as "Grief turns to anger", "Harsh words for government", and "Criticism mounting against Putin" have abounded, while TV and radio correspondents in Beslan have been pressed on air to say that the people there blame Moscow as much as the terrorists. There have been numerous editorials encouraging us to understand - to quote the Sunday Times - the "underlying causes" of Chechen terrorism (usually Russian authoritarianism), while the widespread use of the word "rebels" to describe people who shoot children shows a surprising indulgence in the face of extreme brutality.
On closer inspection, it turns out that this so-called "mounting criticism" is in fact being driven by a specific group in the Russian political spectrum - and by its American supporters. The leading Russian critics of Putin's handling of the Beslan crisis are the pro-US politicians Boris Nemtsov and Vladimir Ryzhkov - men associated with the extreme neoliberal market reforms which so devastated the Russian economy under the west's beloved Boris Yeltsin - and the Carnegie Endowment's Moscow Centre. Funded by its New York head office, this influential thinktank - which operates in tandem with the military-political Rand Corporation, for instance in producing policy papers on Russia's role in helping the US restructure the "Greater Middle East" - has been quoted repeatedly in recent days blaming Putin for the Chechen atrocities. The centre has also been assiduous over recent months in arguing against Moscow's claims that there is a link between the Chechens and al-Qaida.

These people peddle essentially the same line as that expressed by Chechen leaders themselves, such as Ahmed Zakaev, the London exile who wrote in these pages yesterday. Other prominent figures who use the Chechen rebellion as a stick with which to beat Putin include Boris Berezovsky, the Russian oligarch who, like Zakaev, was granted political asylum in this country, although the Russian authorities want him on numerous charges. Moscow has often accused Berezovsky of funding Chechen rebels in the past.

By the same token, the BBC and other media sources are putting it about that Russian TV played down the Beslan crisis, while only western channels reported live, the implication being that Putin's Russia remains a highly controlled police state. But this view of the Russian media is precisely the opposite of the impression I gained while watching both CNN and Russian TV over the past week: the Russian channels had far better information and images from Beslan than their western competitors. This harshness towards Putin is perhaps explained by the fact that, in the US, the leading group which pleads the Chechen cause is the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). The list of the self-styled "distinguished Americans" who are its members is a rollcall of the most prominent neoconservatives who so enthusastically support the "war on terror".

They include Richard Perle, the notorious Pentagon adviser; Elliott Abrams of Iran-Contra fame; Kenneth Adelman, the former US ambassador to the UN who egged on the invasion of Iraq by predicting it would be "a cakewalk"; Midge Decter, biographer of Donald Rumsfeld and a director of the rightwing Heritage Foundation; Frank Gaffney of the militarist Centre for Security Policy; Bruce Jackson, former US military intelligence officer and one-time vice-president of Lockheed Martin, now president of the US Committee on Nato; Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute, a former admirer of Italian fascism and now a leading proponent of regime change in Iran; and R James Woolsey, the former CIA director who is one of the leading cheerleaders behind George Bush's plans to re-model the Muslim world along pro-US lines.

The ACPC heavily promotes the idea that the Chechen rebellion shows the undemocratic nature of Putin's Russia, and cultivates support for the Chechen cause by emphasising the seriousness of human rights violations in the tiny Caucasian republic. It compares the Chechen crisis to those other fashionable "Muslim" causes, Bosnia and Kosovo - implying that only international intervention in the Caucasus can stabilise the situation there. In August, the ACPC welcomed the award of political asylum in the US, and a US-government funded grant, to Ilyas Akhmadov, foreign minister in the opposition Chechen government, and a man Moscow describes as a terrorist. Coming from both political parties, the ACPC members represent the backbone of the US foreign policy establishment, and their views are indeed those of the US administration.

...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/08/usa.russia
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JTT
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2013 08:50 pm
@H2O MAN,
Can you explain why this young man is threatened with the death penalty and the guys who did the My Lai massacre and the hundreds or thousands of other My Lai massacres, or the big wigs in the Pentagon right on up to the president who covered this all up are instead getting US pensions?

Something seems awfully amiss.
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MontereyJack
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2013 10:20 pm
Because, quite apart from anything the US government may or may not have done, he murdered and horrifically mutilated innocent people.
JTT
 
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Tue 23 Apr, 2013 11:24 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Because, quite apart from anything the US government may or may not have done, he murdered and horrifically mutilated innocent people.


Are you suggesting that the people in the numerous My Lais that occurred in Vietnam weren't murdered and horrifically mutilated and weren't innocent?

And "may or may not have done", please, MJ.
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MontereyJack
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2013 12:11 am
Are you incapable of understanding English, JTT? Whether other people have committed crimes is irrelevant in considering whether Dzokhar Tzarnaev (first time I've written his name, no guarantees as to spelling) has. Don't put words in my mouth
JTT
 
  0  
Wed 24 Apr, 2013 01:22 am
@MontereyJack,
It appeared that you might be attempting to address the question I asked but it was such a feeble answer, MJ, that I had to ask further. You certainly didn't answer the question, MJ.
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izzythepush
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2013 05:06 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

re JTT and Ross Caputi,
while his discussion of jihad is correct, it is, sadly, incomplete. Islam is just as sect-ridden as Christianity, and some prominent, though minority, sects within it, like the largely-Saudi Wahhab, definitely do believe in jihad as holy war (involving arms and violent action). They have a huge amount of money, and some elite Saudi support and consequently operate a lot of madrassas in other Islamic countries, indoctrinating a lot of kids in their beliefs. Bin Laden drew a lot from them. So, yeah, while the large majority of Moslems don't buy into that, the disaffected few do. They're the ones with the bombs. To imply that all Moslems do is kinda like saying Timothy McVeigh spoke for all Christians.


People like H20Man like simple answers to help them justify their bigotry. In Canada, the train bombing plot would not have come to light were not for the actions of Moslems. If, like H20Man, you vilify a whole community you make it less likely that members of that community will tip off the authorities.

Quote:
Canadian media have reported the investigation was launched after a tip-off by a concerned imam in the Toronto Muslim community.

The imam was worried that young people in the city were being corrupted by an extremist.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22269639

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MontereyJack
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2013 07:06 am
I did answer the question, JTT. You're so fixated you're incapable of understanding that. Is the fact that you're a supercilious, self-righteous, sanctimonious twit due to the MyLai massacre, JTT? Please answer my question.
H2O MAN
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2013 07:18 am


OK, this little Islamic Jihadist has been read his rights, the Feds
need to prove their case, convict him and execute him quickly.
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JTT
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2013 10:56 am
@MontereyJack,
You missed these, MJ.

Quote:
Are you suggesting that the people in the numerous My Lais that occurred in Vietnam weren't murdered?

Are you suggesting that the people in the numerous My Lais that occurred in Vietnam weren't horrifically mutilated?

Are you suggesting that the people in the numerous My Lais that occurred in Vietnam weren't weren't innocent?


Quote:
Is the fact that you're a supercilious, self-righteous, sanctimonious twit due to the MyLai massacre, JTT?


No.

You have agreed with me that the US has committed these myriad vicious acts. Does that make you "a supercilious, self-righteous, sanctimonious twit", MJ?

The numerous My Lais that occurred in Vietnam were only symptomatic of the same atrocities committed by the US in countries all around the world. But you already know this so why are you trying so desperately to avoid discussing those atrocities?

That was really a dismal attempt to avoid discussing the issue, MJ. It was H2oman like.
H2O MAN
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2013 03:03 pm
@JTT,


We are at war with these islamic jihadist terrorists, let's fight them at every turn.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2013 04:05 pm
@H2O MAN,
This is a photo that needs to be more widely circulated. Instead we get ones in which he appears to be a choir boy.

Someone makes a choice as yo which available photo is published, and one has to wonder why the most sympathetic are being routinely used.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2013 04:35 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
If they keep showing that photo, he won't even go to court, he'll become a regular on the Kardashians instead.

You were right to point it out, they better start showing pictures of him looking like a terrorist before it's too late.
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JTT
 
  1  
Wed 24 Apr, 2013 05:43 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Political correctness = Failure on every level.


How come you changed your signature line, h2oguy? If you didn't have these right wing nutjob websites telling you what to say, you'd be speechless. You oughta try thinking for yourself. That's what you've got a brain for.
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Wed 24 Apr, 2013 07:36 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

If you didn't have these right wing nutjob websites telling you what to say, you'd be speechless.


I have no experience with these so-called right wing nutjob websites you speak of, but I'm sure you're the popular one.
JTT
 
  1  
Wed 24 Apr, 2013 09:35 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
I have no experience with these so-called right wing nutjob websites you speak of,


You've quoted Neil Bortz or whatever his name is. He's a right wing nutjob.
H2O MAN
 
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Thu 25 Apr, 2013 06:57 am
@JTT,


JTT, you are a huge ignoranus.
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MontereyJack
 
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Thu 25 Apr, 2013 07:17 am
Neil
Boortz is the ignoramus. Having read your cites of him, I know.
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 25 Apr, 2013 07:24 am
@MontereyJack,


MJ, your fantasy world of unicorns and rainbows has stripped you of all logical thought.
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Beliteweight
 
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Thu 25 Apr, 2013 07:24 am
@H2O MAN,
Really its a hard time, we must be together fight for this.God bless the souls
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