Approaching a Peace Between Israel and the Palestinians

There is that reference to that book written by Jews for the benefit of Jews. Not historically accurate.

My, are you not the master Israeli propagandist, Advocate.

Truth be known, it is Israel who has always stalled for time, impeded all legitimate avenues towards a settlement.

The Arab league offered to recognize israel, engage in trade with them if they would return to their '67 borders, but Israel gave them the finger.

The Palestinians asked in good faith for the Israelis to stop settlement building until an agreement could be reached regarding borders, but Israel refused...in effect saying screw you to the Arab League...the US has our back and our influence is so powerful we tell them what to do via AIPAC.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

The Israelis have been in the area since 1948.

The Israelis have been there since the dawn of the Iron Age, at a minimum.

More revisionist history.

Look at how much land Israel has taken for itself since 1967.

How can any peace plan or talks of a Palestinian State seriously begin unless the settlements are dismantled and Palestinians given a fair portion of land to have their state?

The Israelis have been there since the dawn of the Iron Age, at a minimum.

Israel has taken zero land for itself since 1967. The last time they seized any land was in the 1967 war itself.

oralloy wrote:

The Israelis have been there since the dawn of the Iron Age, at a minimum.

This is a stupid statement, even for you.

oralloy wrote:

Israel has taken zero land for itself since 1967. The last time they seized any land was in the 1967 war itself.

You're just one lie after another, Oralboy.

contrex wrote:

oralloy wrote:

The Israelis have been there since the dawn of the Iron Age, at a minimum.

This is a stupid statement, even for you.

I realize that you anti-Semitic vermin can't stand seeing facts posted. But no, pointing out history is not in any way stupid.

oralloy wrote:

contrex wrote:

oralloy wrote:

The Israelis have been there since the dawn of the Iron Age, at a minimum.

This is a stupid statement, even for you.

I realize that you anti-Semitic vermin can't stand seeing facts posted. But no, pointing out history is not in any way stupid.

How do you define the "Israelis" that were there at the dawn of the Iron Age?

They are the ancestors of the modern Israelis, they had a king named David, and they had a kingdom comprising the West Bank and probably some neighboring territory.

oralloy wrote:

They are the ancestors of the modern Israelis, they had a king named David, and they had a kingdom comprising the West Bank and probably some neighboring territory.

But they were Jews and Samaritans. 20% of Israel's population is Arab. Don't they count?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/mar/19/israel

Gunmen evict family at dawn from home in King David's city
Israeli settlers use force to take over homes belonging to Palestinians in east Jerusalem

Chris McGreal in the City of David

The Guardian, Friday 19 March 2004 02.49 GMT
The first Ruad Ajlouni knew that the Israelis were moving in was as he awoke in the early hours to find a group of armed men standing over his sleeping children.
The 30 or so Jewish activists had quietly clambered on to the terrace roof of the three-storey apartment block in run-down Arab east Jerusalem, drilled their way through the locks of the outside doors and surrounded the Ajlounis before they had a chance to stir.

"They said they had bought the flat and were moving in," said Mr Ajlouni. "At three o'clock in the morning. I said: 'Good for you. Show us the documents and I will help you move the furniture'."

But there were no deeds, only weapons. Within a few minutes, the Ajlounis and their five children, the youngest just 18 months old, were out of the door. The furniture followed.

When the Israeli police finally arrived, after the Ajlounis had spent hours pleading for help, the officers said there was nothing they could do: it was a matter for the courts - and they nearly always back Jewish over Palestinian property claims.

"This area is a prime target area for the settlers because they claim this is King David's city. They want to evacuate as many Palestinians as possible and replace them with Jews so they can say there are no Arabs in it," said Mr Ajlouni.

The Ajlounis' home is pinned between the southern ramparts of the old city's Jewish quarter and the site of the biblical City of David.

It was here, 3,000 years ago, that King David established the First Temple and Jerusalem as the eternal capital of the Jewish people. And it is here today that Jews are seeking to reclaim the ancient city as their own by repopulating the Arab neighbourhood between the City of David and Judaism's holiest site, the Wailing Wall.

Leading the charge is Elad, the City of David Foundation, which is excavating King David's palace and some of the homes of the thousands of Israelites who once lived around it.

"The goal of our organisation is to increase the presence of Jews in the neighbourhood as much as possible," said Elad's director, Doron Spielman. "We've been dreaming of coming back to biblical Jerusalem for 3,000 years. This is the fulfilment of our dreams. We cannot trust that if this is an Arab neighbourhood, Jews will be safe to walk around here."

Elad says it has bought up 42 homes so far in legal transactions which have been upheld by the courts when they are disputed. The Palestinians say that Elad is responsible for ethnic cleansing by stealth through the seizure and occupation of property or duping the vulnerable into signing papers they do not understand.

RAMALLAH, (PIC)– A Palestinian expert on water and environment issues stressed that technical and political problems in Oslo accords signed between the PLO and the occupation authorities “left ​​the main water sources in Israeli hands, limiting the Palestinian role as providing services.”

“The problem was the postponement of solving the water issue in Palestine to the final negotiations,” director general of Palestinian Hydrology Group, Abdul Rahman Tamimi, said during a seminar in Ramallah, adding that “the agricultural water issue has not been addressed in the accords.”

He pointed out that the Israeli occupation steals 82 per cent of Palestinian water.

Tamimi strongly criticized the Palestinian negotiator’s failure in defending the Palestinian water rights in the Oslo accords, especially as it did not include the Palestinian right in the Jordan River water at the time it included the Israeli right to veto any future talks on the water issue and to confiscate all Palestinian wells.

The future of the conflict in Palestine and the Middle East will be over water resources, in light of the Israeli control over the Palestinian natural, economic and human resources, Tamimi explained.

“Access to safe water is a fundamental human need & therefore a basic human right.” ~Kofi Annan Information portal about the Human Rights to Water & Sanitation

Everything is being done, to make life in Gaza impossible. Gaza remains Worlds Largest open Air prison, an israel an an occupier, even neglects rights of the “concentrationcamp”-people they are lawfully to respect, as per International and Humanitairian laws is obligated to even as an occupying force.

As a “Disengaged Occupier” (Report from GISHA), Israel uses deprivation of water as a mean of ethnic cleansing. Access to water, restricting or making the quality causing water borne diseases are to be called deliberate and common policy rather than obeying to at least minimal standards of humanitarian or morals. Even causing deaths, which can be classified as “Avoidable Mortality” also known as “Excess Deaths”: The difference between statisticly proof of normal deathtrates, compared to the reality and difference due to bad ruling or care, even under occupation in which an occupier has also obligations under International Law and is responsible for the continuation of basic needs and supply of such. Reality is, Israel does all not to provide this.

These and many more policies like the calories per head-policy for Gaza, result in a flagrant violation of Human Rights and is a cause of many illnesses and even deaths which are silenced. Media coverage of Israeli attacks or damage on Gaza and West Bank tend to focus on the immediate damage inflicted. Like a well is destroyed, or polluted. Like a dam which is deliberately flooded. But the excess deaths and diseases due to the policies are silenced by all means.

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/israel-steals-82-of-the-palestinian-water-under-the-oslo-accords/

More revisionist history.

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More revisionist history.

And living in the home of revisionist history, aka, propaganda, you know revisionist history, Rabel.

You're just one lie after another, Oralboy.

oralloy wrote:

contrex wrote:

oralloy wrote:

They are the ancestors of the modern Israelis, they had a king named David, and they had a kingdom comprising the West Bank and probably some neighboring territory.

But they were Jews and Samaritans. 20% of Israel's population is Arab. Don't they count?

Not particularly. They could be descendants of people who lived near the Israelis (Ammonites, Canaanites, whatever), but they are not of Israeli descent.

More revisionist history.