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Find three nouns in sentence

 
 
Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2013 10:18 pm
My son was given this sentence in school and told to identify the three nouns

"The surface of the dining table needs to be wiped clean."

He found two and was stumped by the third...we all had a go- and coukd not determine what it could be...at school his teacher told him that the third noun is "clean.". I think that clean is an adjective here...what is it?
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2013 10:25 pm
@Vtgirl44,
My guess is adjective. It describes the verb wiped.

Anyhow, not a noun
Lola
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2013 10:49 pm
@roger,
you can't say a clean or the clean. I don't see how it's a noun here. I can't think of any sense in which it would be a noun.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2013 10:50 pm
@Vtgirl44,
I agree with your son.

Clean defines how the table was wiped. After the wiping it was a clean table. Pretty clearly an adjective.

A similar sentence would be "The surface of the dining table needs to be painted red". Also an adjective.







Lola
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2013 10:54 pm
@maxdancona,
also, it could be used as a verb. But adjective and verb is all I can think of.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2013 11:04 pm
@maxdancona,
Exactly as you say. How was the table wiped? It was wiped clean. We are describing how it was done. Wiped is the verb. The verb is described by . . . ?
Lola
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2013 11:07 pm
@roger,
I was saying that the word clean can be used as a verb or an adjective but I can't think of any instance in which it could be used as a noun.

She cleaned the table. (verb)
She wiped the table clean (adjective)

NOT
The clean was a table.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2013 11:10 pm
@roger,
I misspoke a bit. Clean doesn't describe the wiping. It describes the table after the wiping.

Clean is not an adverb in this sentence.

If she wiped the table slowly. The word "slowly" describes how the wiping is done. In this case slowly does not describe the state of the table at any part of the process.

Clean in the original sentence refers to the state of the table. it is clearly an adjective.
Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 12:08 am
@Vtgirl44,
Clearly it is either one of two cases. Either your child misunderstood or the teacher is incompetent.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 07:28 am
@maxdancona,
Quote:
I misspoke a bit. Clean doesn't describe the wiping. It describes the table after the wiping.

Clean is not an adverb in this sentence.


MW:
adverb
: a word belonging to one of the major form classes in any of numerous languages, typically serving as a modifier of a verb, an adjective, another adverb, a preposition, a phrase, a clause, or a sentence, expressing some relation of manner or quality, place, time, degree, number, cause, opposition, affirmation, or denial, and in English also serving to connect and to express comment on clause content


AHD:

ADVERB:
cleaner, cleanest
So as to be unsoiled: wash the dishes clean.
In a fair manner: played the game clean.
In a clean or nonpolluting manner: a fuel that burns clean.
Informal Entirely; wholly: clean forgot the appointment.

====

MW:

adjective

Definition of ADJECTIVE

: a word belonging to one of the major form classes in any of numerous languages and typically serving as a modifier of a noun to denote a quality of the thing named, to indicate its quantity or extent, or to specify a thing as distinct from something else
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 10:33 am
@Vtgirl44,
Sisters Marie, Consulata, and Victoria went into a bar.

There, you have three nuns in a sentence
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 10:40 am
@farmerman,
No.

That would be:
Zero, Zed and Nil went into a bar, they almost got in a fight, but it turned out to be nothing.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 10:53 am
@Joe Nation,
"To be wiped clean" is a need...
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 10:59 am

NEEDS. I've got them , and so have you. They are nouns, every one.

But really that teacher should be sacked for being too ignorant and silly.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 12:06 pm
@JTT,
JTT,

If that is correct, is the word "Red" an adverb in this sentence?

He painted the dishes red.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 12:31 pm
@maxdancona,
My argument is that "clean" in "he wiped the table clean" is describing the state of the table. It is the "table" that is clean, not the wiping. This is why I believe that "clean" is an adjective.

If I said "he wiped the table quietly". The word "quietly" is clearly not describing the state of the table. It describes the process of wiping.

There is a difference between saying "he wiped the table clean" and "he wiped the table cleanly".

contrex
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 12:46 pm
The teacher is a fool. "Clean" in that sentence is an adjective, describing the state of the table.

I wiped the table [until it was] clean.

Require him or her to justify the assertion that it is a noun.


JTT
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 01:57 pm
@maxdancona,
Quote:
There is a difference between saying "he wiped the table clean" and "he wiped the table cleanly".


There is indeed, Max. The meanings are different.

Quote:
My argument is that "clean" in "he wiped the table clean" is describing the state of the table.


The table is clean. describes the state of the table.

Quote:
It is the "table" that is clean, not the wiping. This is why I believe that "clean" is an adjective.


ADVERB:
cleaner, cleanest
So as to be unsoiled: wash the dishes clean.
In a fair manner: played the game clean.
In a clean or nonpolluting manner: a fuel that burns clean.


Following your example, in all these examples from MW we could/should then say 'clean' describes the state of the dishes, the game, and the fuel.

That's a stretch, doncha think?

Quote:
If I said "he wiped the table quietly". The word "quietly" is clearly not describing the state of the table. It describes the process of wiping.


That's what adverbs do, describe 'how', 'the manner in which something is done.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 01:58 pm
@contrex,
Quote:
"Clean" in that sentence is an adjective, describing the state of the table.

I wiped the table [until it was] clean.


You've change the grammatical texture of the original sentence, C.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2013 03:00 pm
@JTT,
JTT,

You skipped the question that I most wanted you to answer.

In the sentence "He painted the dishes red", is "red" an adverb?
 

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