Find three nouns in sentence

@JTT,

JTT wrote:

She used to teach English grammar to, I believe, high primary, low middle school students.

Yet she wrote this

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Clean is a noun....like liberty, knowledge, and reading...

The noun derived from the adjective 'clean' is cleanliness, which is next to godliness in some peoples opinion.

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@contrex,

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Yet she wrote this

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Clean is a noun....like liberty, knowledge, and reading...

The noun derived from the adjective 'clean' is cleanliness, which is next to godliness in some peoples opinion.

I hope JTT comments on this. I am still looking for him to be specific with regard to the OP question.

He seems to know more about grammar than anyone else here...and I would appreciate his take on this.

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@contrex,

You missed the important part, C.

Lash is but a small part of a really dismal education system as regards the study of the English language. Equally dismal is the history system but that's for another day.

I said the same thing of some others recently, that they should refrain from offering advice on language. On reflection, I think it's better that they do offer their advice. Often there is more to learn from someone giving bad advice than good advice.

Remember, ESL/ENLs around the world are also, regularly, being given this same really bad advice. It's certainly not just coming from the US.

It also points up just how silly it is to try to teach anyone a language by teaching them grammar and the terminology of grammar.

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@contrex,

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The noun derived from the adjective 'clean' is cleanliness,

Or 'clean' -> That's a clean that you just don't normally see.

-> That's the clean I was looking for.

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@contrex,

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The noun derived from the adjective 'clean' is cleanliness,

Or 'clean' -> That's a clean that you just don't normally see.

-> That's the clean I was looking for.

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@Mame,

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As usual, a non answer,

You sure got caught up in that bit of propaganda right quick, didn't you, Mame? Or are you just trying to establish your creds? That oughta save some wear and tear on your knees.

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@Lash,

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Clean is a noun....like liberty, knowledge, and reading...

"The surface of the dining table needs to be wiped clean."

If 'clean' was a noun in the example, Lash, wouldn't it be able to take an article?

"The surface of the dining table needs to be wiped a/the clean."

And even if we allow for a zero article situation, aka the general condition, does it fit that at all?

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I can see why students (and people here) would say it is used as an adverb - since it does modify the verb wiped..

Is it possible that a word be an either/or part of speech?

That would certainly add support to my contention. Smile

MW:

2clean adverb
Definition of CLEAN

1
a : so as to clean <a new broom sweeps clean>

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I've never seen so much guff written about a "n0-brainer" problemette.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

Or 'clean' -> That's a clean that you just don't normally see.

-> That's the clean I was looking for.

That might be some kind of US variant - it sounds to these ears like something an advertising copywriter might dream up for a laundry product.

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@McTag,

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I've never seen so much guff written about a "n0-brainer" problemette.

You've done this often, McTag. [Here, 'you did this often' would not work]

I didn't see you discussing this "no-brainer" to set things straight. ['I haven't seen you discussing this no brainer to set things straight' is also possible, even more likely for BrE]

And how could it be a no brainer when there is much confusion surrounding the issue? If you had it so well sussed out why haven't you helped to clear up the situation?

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@contrex,

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That might be some kind of US variant - it sounds to these ears like something an advertising copywriter might dream up for a laundry product.

Not might be, C, is. With all due respect, and there's no snideity [ Smile

] intended, it doesn't matter what it sounds like to you. 'clean' is a noun form.

'cleanliness' just wouldn't work there.

That's the cleanliness I was looking for.

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@JTT,

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I didn't see you discussing this "no-brainer" to set things straight.

I gave my answer to this, in unequivocal terms and on this thread, some time ago.
Okay it wasn't a "discussion", more of a statement, but what's to discuss?

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

If you had it so well sussed out why haven't you helped to clear up the situation?

I have noticed this before.

I have also noticed the experts resentment of amateur attempts to answer. One would almost have expected the experts to have formed some sort of consensus.

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@Vtgirl44,

A good foreign language course i use describes a noun as "any word you can put 'the' in front of". So, strange as it seems, i suggest that the missing noun is 'dining'.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I hope JTT comments on this. I am still looking for him to be specific with regard to the OP question.

I was specific, Frank, but I got schooled by Max and Contrex. Upon further reflection, I think there's a problem for though I lean towards Max's and C's notion, buttressed by The Cambridge Grammar of English, I'm still at a loss to explain those supposed 'adjectives' that don't seem to make sense.

I have noticed that neither Max nor C have addressed them either. Nor has McTag.

For example,

He painted the town red.

Following Max & Contrex, 'red' is an adjective describing the state of the town??????

And this, from MW.

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MW
2clean adverb
Definition of CLEAN

1
a : so as to clean <a new broom sweeps clean>

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He seems to know more about grammar than anyone else here..

I applaud your honesty, Frank. Smile

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@Abbanew,

That's a fair general rule, but here 'dining' modifies 'table'.

Whatever it is, don't let grammar interfere with your understanding.

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@JTT,

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I applaud your honesty, Frank.

Thanks for that, JTT. I know it must have been hard for you to type that.

For the record, I was sincere when I wrote the comment.

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@roger,

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That's a fair general rule, but here 'dining' modifies 'table'.

Abbanew and Roger, 'dining table' is a compound noun.

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@contrex,

wow, that's amazing. reading is a noun too?.......well, I guess I can see reading. The reading began on page 3 and continued to page 7. But clean? How? The clean was...............the clean is............there's nothing as good as the clean..........NOT

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@Lola,

OK, that answers it. That's the clean I was talking about. I get it.

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