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What Do Modern Secessionists Want?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 06:08 pm
@Mame,
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We wouldn't be asking to join the States! lol And I know how much you despise Canada.


When the Quebec threats was at their highs I remember more the one of Canada Provinces leaderships thinking out loud about also leaving Canada and joining big daddy USA if that should happen.

But that is not going to happen except for maybe one province as stated above.
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 06:36 pm
@BillRM,
Yeah, dubya, but only QUEBEC wants to LEAVE! The rest of us are pretty happy with being CANADIAN. You can take Quebec, although France wouldn't Smile Help yourselves!
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Mame
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 06:37 pm
@BillRM,
Not a chance. Prove it. You're delusional. Or lying.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 06:44 pm
@Mame,
Quote:
Not a chance. Prove it. You're delusional. Or lying.


Sure I am.............

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessionist_movements_of_Canada

In the early 1980s, in Saskatchewan, the Unionest Party advocated the western provinces join the United States.

IRFRANK
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 09:05 pm
@snood,
A white president.
IRFRANK
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 09:08 pm
@snood,
I do think the root is racism. I can't justify it any other way. Completely irrational. Plus it is fed by their media.
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 09:09 pm
@edgarblythe,
I felt disenfranchised in 04 but didn't consider secession.
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 09:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It really is similar. A cultural war.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 01:45 pm
@edgarblythe,
You've hit the nail on the head edgar.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 02:31 pm
@IRFRANK,
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A white president.


First we have a white man born in the Panama canal zone and a black man born in Hawaii that at the time of his birth being a state but it was not the white man citizenship and right to run for President but the black man that were challenge over and over with zero foundation.

Next election we have a Mormon white guy who father was from Mexico and there was no problem with his citizenship or the fact that a large percent of the Christian community have had a long standing problem with considering a Mormon a Christian and yet the very people who accept the white man and his faith had spend years trying to paint the black man as anything other then a Christian once more with zero foundation.

Yes I do not see how the racism could be any more up front and oh the demands to see the black man college records but giving the white guy a pass on the normal numbers of years of tax returns that are normally released by a candidate for president.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 02:38 pm
@IRFRANK,
Call it what you will; but they own more guns in the south, so that can be a concern.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 02:42 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
When Quebec were blackmailing the rest of Canada


too bad Quebec had no blackmail tools to work with
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 02:44 pm
@BillRM,
That's precisely the point. No one in Canada knows about this stuff since the media ignores it for the most part.

The right-wing media in the U.S. publishes all the goofy right-wing goofiness.

BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 02:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Call it what you will; but they own more guns in the south, so that can be a concern.


A wise person does not go near the woods in Pennsylvania during dear hunting season as the woods are crawling with heavily arm idiots looking to fire at anything that look like a deer to a blind man.

The average northern households outside major cities have every bit as many firearms as southern households.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 03:14 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
That's precisely the point. No one in Canada knows about this stuff since the media ignores it for the most part


Just because we have some examples of Canadians on this website that know less about the internal going on in their own nation then at least one American here might be a bad reflection on those Canadians and even their educational system it however said nothing about how serious such movements happen to had been.

From reading the history of Canada and the great numbers of secessions movements in many parts of that nation over time I was hit by how unstable the country to our north seems to be and if Quebec does pull out of the Canadian union I would lay large odds that the rest of Canada union would no longer be viable.

Some parts would likely form independent nations and large parts would ask to join the US at least in my opinion.

It surely would be interesting to see how it would work out.

Map of Canada...........

http://0.tqn.com/d/gocanada/1/7/P/1/-/-/CanadaMapsProvincesColourCoded.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 03:23 pm
@BillRM,
I didn't realize "dear" hunting was that dangerous in PA. Mr. Green
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 03:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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didn't realize "dear" hunting was that dangerous in PA


LoL you got me.........
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 04:57 pm
For everyone amusement here, with special note of the Canadians on this website, is information concerning war planning to invade Canada name war plan Red created between the two world wars.

Bet a large amount of money somewhere locked away in the Pentagon is a current up to date war plan to do the same thing in case of need.

The US military love to have plans to pull out that cover any possible need.

Oh the US military code name for Canada where Crimson in this plan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red

Outline
The Maritimes in eastern Canada were the primary areas of strategic importance for the planWar Plan Red first set out a description of Canada's geography, military resources, and transportation[citation needed], and went on to evaluate a series of possible pre-emptive American campaigns to invade Canada in several areas and occupy key ports and railways before British troops could provide reinforcement to the Canadians - the assumption being that Britain would use Canada as a staging point. The idea was that the American attacks on Canada would prevent Britain from using Canadian resources, ports, or airbases.[citation needed]

A key move was a joint US army-navy attack to capture the port city of Halifax, cutting off the Canadians from their British allies.[citation needed] Their next objective was to "[s]eize Canadian Power Plants near Niagara Falls" (Carlson, 2005). This was to be followed by a full-scale invasion on three fronts: From Vermont to take Montreal and Quebec, from North Dakota to take over the railhead at Winnipeg, and from the Midwest to capture the strategic nickel mines of Ontario.[citation needed] In parallel, the U.S. Navy was to seize the Great Lakes and blockade Canada’s Atlantic and Pacific ports.[citation needed]

[edit] Zones of operationThe main zones of operation discussed in the plan are:

Nova Scotia and New Brunswick:
Occupying Halifax, following a poison gas first strike, would deny the British a major naval base and cut links between Britain and Canada.
The plan considers several land and sea options for the attack and concludes that a landing at St. Margarets Bay, a then undeveloped bay near Halifax, would be superior to a direct assault via the longer overland route.
Failing to take Halifax, the U.S. could occupy New Brunswick by land to cut Nova Scotia off from the rest of Canada at the key railway junction at Moncton.
Quebec and the valley of the Saint Lawrence River:
Occupying Montreal and Quebec City would cut the remainder of Canada off from the Eastern seaboard, preventing the movement of soldiers and resources in both directions.
The routes from northern New York to Montreal and from Vermont to Quebec are both found satisfactory for an offensive, with Quebec being the more critical target.
Ontario and the Great Lakes area:
Occupying this region gains control of Toronto and most of Canada's industry, while also preventing Britain and Canada from using it for air or land attacks against the U.S. industrial heartland in the Midwest.
The plan proposes simultaneous offensives from Buffalo across the Niagara River, from Detroit into Ontario, and from Sault Ste. Marie into Sudbury. Controlling the Great Lakes for U.S. transport is considered logistically necessary for a continued invasion.
Winnipeg
Winnipeg is a central nexus of the Canadian rail system for connecting the country.
The plan sees no major obstacles to an offensive from Grand Forks, North Dakota, to Winnipeg.
Vancouver and Victoria:
Although Vancouver's distance from Europe reduces its importance, occupying it would deny Britain a naval base and cut Canada off from the Pacific Ocean.
Vancouver could be easily attacked overland from Bellingham, Washington, and Vancouver Island could be attacked by sea from Port Angeles, Washington.
The British Columbia port Prince Rupert has a rail connection to the rest of Canada, but a naval blockade is viewed as easy if Vancouver were taken.
[edit] No attacks outside Western HemisphereUnlike the Rainbow Five plan, War Plan Red did not envision striking outside the Western Hemisphere. The plan assumed that the British Empire would have a much larger army and slightly larger navy. Because of the Empire's historical strength the United States had traditionally planned for a defensive war with it, and War Plan Red continued doing so even as American power grew to match Britain's. Its authors saw conquering Canada as the best way to attack the British Empire, and believed that doing so would cause Britain to negotiate for peace. A problem with the plan was that it did not discuss how to attack the Empire if Canada declared its neutrality, which the authors believed was likely. (The plan advised against accepting such a declaration without permission to occupy Canadian ports and some land until the war ended.)[4]

Based on extensive war games conducted at the Naval War College, the plan rejected attacking British shipping or attempting to destroy the British fleet. The main American fleet would instead stay in the western North Atlantic to block British-Canadian traffic. The navy would wait for a good opportunity to engage the British fleet, and if successful would then attack British trade and colonies in the Western Hemisphere.[4]

In 1935 War Plan Red was updated and specified which roads to use in the invasion. "The best practicable route to Vancouver is via Route 99" (Carlson, 2005). Further, in 1935 Americans planned to build three military airfields near the Canadian border and disguise them as civilian airports. "In February 1935, the War Department arranged a Congressional appropriation of $57 million to build three border air bases for the purposes of pre-emptive surprise attacks on Canadian air fields" (Berlin Glasnost, 1992–2007). The airfields were to be kept secret, but their existence was accidentally published by the Government Printing Office and reported on the front page of the New York Times on May 1, 1935.

MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 05:06 pm
Well, we tried that in the Revolution. Didn't work out too well. Though forty years ago I travelled the remnants of the Bayley-Hazen Road to a fiddle festival in NE Vermont. Very cool road, they built it for the proposed invasion of Canada. It was two lanes, dirt, a lot of it still unpaved, it ran through people's front yards, people sitting on their front porches wondering what the hell those hipppies in the battered VW Bug were doing cutting across their yard. We;d better build something a little more substantial if we're gonna plan on invading this century.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 05:17 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
What Do Modern Secessionists Want?


I suggest we give them... TruckNutz.
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