Why There Cannot Be Peace Between Israel and the Palestinians

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

Why should Israel--a state that in order to exist must necessarily discriminate against and oppress the Palestinian peoples--be allowed to exist?

Because the Israeli military and the US military will massacre anyone who tries to end Israel's existence.

The Palestinians are hardly being "oppressed". They are just being prevented from murdering people.

That doesn't answer the question, though.

The question isn't what will happen if anyone tries to end Israel's existence, the question is why should Israel--a state that in order to exist must necessarily discriminate against and oppress the Palestinian peoples--be allowed to exist?

oralloy wrote:

The Palestinians have no right of return.

Not according to UN resolution 194.

oralloy wrote:

No one is preventing their enfranchisement and self determination. If they ever decide to start acting like humans and make peace, they will be allowed to form their own country.

Israel is preventing their enfranchisement in the lands that they have the right of return, see UN resolution 194.

oralloy wrote:

Israel is the Jews' homeland.

According to the discriminatory and oppressive Zionists. Religious mythologies aren't justifications for the discrimination against and the oppression of a people.

The Palestinians are indigenous to the land that the Zionists--a group of European ethnocentric ideologues--arrogated to create their state for "the Jews," a European people who professed, and /or whose ancestors had professed Judaism.

oralloy wrote:

If the Palestinians want to live in a non-Jewish state, they should start making peace so they can get one.

By the looks of this last confrontation, the only impetus the Zionists respond to to even begin to alleviate their repression of the Gazan Palestinians is violence.

Palestine/Israel wasn't bereft of people till the '40's.

Palestine is the largest, oldest and most overcrowded refugee camp in the world. They have a claim to land regardless of the blind bigots that you parrot.

A claim to the land is not gonna get these conflicting people anywhere

Israel kills more people simply because it has the resources to do so.

If Palestinians had the guns and Israel had the rocks, it is a fact that the number of Israeli deaths would be the same as the Palestinian deaths now.

in other words, they're both guilty SOB's

Wrong. Israel is not guilty of anything. It is not a crime for Jews to defend themselves when people try to murder them.

Peace is the objective, but when ignorance is spouted from bigots, it ain't helping the cause.

I was responding to his biases.

The day you tell the truth... I'll start listening, till then, it's A2K as normal. A platform for bigots..

Even the British Mandate stated,

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The preamble of the mandate document declared:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.[27]

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:

The Palestinians have no right of return.

Not according to UN resolution 194.

That's a GA resolution. It has no validity.

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It's as valid AS

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:

No one is preventing their enfranchisement and self determination. If they ever decide to start acting like humans and make peace, they will be allowed to form their own country.

Israel is preventing their enfranchisement in the lands that they have the right of return, see UN resolution 194.

No such right of return.

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:

Israel is the Jews' homeland.

According to the discriminatory and oppressive Zionists. Religious mythologies aren't justifications for the discrimination against and the oppression of a people.

That the West Bank is the ancient homeland of the Jews is an established historical fact. Nothing mythological about it.

That, today, Israel is their homeland, is also a fact.

InfraBlue wrote:

The Palestinians are indigenous to the land that the Zionists--a group of European ethnocentric ideologues--arrogated to create their state for "the Jews," a European people who professed, and /or whose ancestors had professed Judaism.

The Jews are also indigenous to that land.

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:

If the Palestinians want to live in a non-Jewish state, they should start making peace so they can get one.

By the looks of this last confrontation, the only impetus the Zionists respond to to even begin to alleviate their repression of the Gazan Palestinians is violence.

Telling the Gazans that they are not allowed to murder innocent people is hardly repression.

And the only thing the Palestinians bought with their violence was a vigorous bombing campaign by the Israeli military.

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:

The Palestinians have no right of return.

Not according to UN resolution 194.

That's a GA resolution. It has no validity.

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:

No one is preventing their enfranchisement and self determination. If they ever decide to start acting like humans and make peace, they will be allowed to form their own country.

Israel is preventing their enfranchisement in the lands that they have the right of return, see UN resolution 194.

No such right of return.

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:

Israel is the Jews' homeland.

According to the discriminatory and oppressive Zionists. Religious mythologies aren't justifications for the discrimination against and the oppression of a people.

That the West Bank is the ancient homeland of the Jews is an established historical fact. Nothing mythological about it.

That, today, Israel is their homeland, is also a fact.

InfraBlue wrote:

The Palestinians are indigenous to the land that the Zionists--a group of European ethnocentric ideologues--arrogated to create their state for "the Jews," a European people who professed, and /or whose ancestors had professed Judaism.

The Jews are also indigenous to that land.

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:

If the Palestinians want to live in a non-Jewish state, they should start making peace so they can get one.

By the looks of this last confrontation, the only impetus the Zionists respond to to even begin to alleviate their repression of the Gazan Palestinians is violence.

And the only thing the Palestinians bought with their violence was a vigorous bombing campaign by the Israeli military.

But even then the Mandate itself was discriminatory, favoring a foreign people, "the Jewish people," i.e. European Jews, and obliquely referring to "existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine" and certain rights afforded them by the mandate. The mandate itself was invalid on moral grounds.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:

The Palestinians have no right of return.

Not according to UN resolution 194.

That's a GA resolution. It has no validity.

It's as valid as the GA resolution that Israel claims as its legal sanction for existing, UN resolution 181.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:

No one is preventing their enfranchisement and self determination. If they ever decide to start acting like humans and make peace, they will be allowed to form their own country.

Israel is preventing their enfranchisement in the lands that they have the right of return, see UN resolution 194.

No such right of return.

Says you and the Zionists.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:

Israel is the Jews' homeland.

According to the discriminatory and oppressive Zionists. Religious mythologies aren't justifications for the discrimination against and the oppression of a people.

That the West Bank is the ancient homeland of the Jews is an established historical fact. Nothing mythological about it.

The Zionists' self-serving history, perhaps.

oralloy wrote:

That, today, Israel is their homeland, is also a fact.

That's merely a ridiculous notion held by you and the Zionists

Is the US the homeland of American Jews?

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

The Palestinians are indigenous to the land that the Zionists--a group of European ethnocentric ideologues--arrogated to create their state for "the Jews," a European people who professed, and /or whose ancestors had professed Judaism.

The Jews are also indigenous to that land.

"The Jews" to which the Zionists and the British Mandate were referring were a European people indigenous to Europe for centuries and centuries.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

oralloy wrote:

If the Palestinians want to live in a non-Jewish state, they should start making peace so they can get one.

By the looks of this last confrontation, the only impetus the Zionists respond to to even begin to alleviate their repression of the Gazan Palestinians is violence.

And the only thing the Palestinians bought with their violence was a vigorous bombing campaign by the Israeli military.

It also bought the Gazans vows from Israel to alleviate the blockade against Gaza, and to stop assassinating their members of their leadership.

If I had neighbors that were against me I think I would have to find a more peaceful place to live.