Why There Cannot Be Peace Between Israel and the Palestinians

oh sorry i forgot the israelis aren't actively settling on palestinian land,

that the palestinian way of life isn't crap because sanctions, beyond what is deemed acceptable by the international community, have been imposed on them by the israelis (concrete for example is forbidden, handy when the israelis are destroying your infrastructure),

israeli soldiers indiscriminate targetting of children???? noooooo that doesn't happen at all.

or how about the big wall they didn't erect separating palestinian families....

wouldnt you resort to hostile agression when you can't protect your own people and territory from equally hostile actions?

open your eyes. israel are no saints in this.

i'm not justifying palestinian tactics, just saying that israel are equally as aggressive (more so even) and palestine have no infrastructure to deal with it.

you honestly have no idea whats going on out there do you...pleeeeaaaase look it up and you will see you are wrong.

children have been shot on several occasions by israeli soldiers.

israel are actively removing palestinians from their homes, bulldozing them, and settling there...there has been a huge international outcry about this.

the big wall routinely encroaches on the palestinian side of the border,

israels actions are hostile.

killing unarmed children is hostile,

land grabbing is hostile,

israel have done plenty wrong...

remember that flotilla which was trying to deliver aid, that they stormed? there were westerners in highly esteemed positions aboard it (nobel laureates no less) who have spoken out about israeli aggression on board, they saw it...THEY WERE THERE...this isn't palestinian propaganda, this is irrefutable fact, and they were only trying to deliver humanitarian aid.

you are so blind to whats goin on...i really do implore you to look into world events.

it is shameful that this is going on and nobody is doing anything.

sorry. you are clueless, in denial, and ignorant. you are wrong on every point.

children have been targeted on several occasions, some as young as 10 with nothing more than stones.

i'm not talking about one settlement. i'm talking about repeated removals of people from their homes, in more than one location.

the fence is NOT the border,

it runs mostly along the border, but in quite a few places encroaches onto palestinian land...and not just by a few centimetres.

no country anywhere in the world has the right to draw borders as they see fit,

unless of course you are ok with mexico moving their border further north, and canada further south...perhaps till they meet in the middle...pure fantasy. utter drivel!

the blockade was illegal you numpty...thats exactly why they were running it.

israel are hostile.

you are an idiot.

Childish name-calling will not change the reality that Israel has done nothing wrong.

The US military might have something to say about that.

Oralboy lies his ass off, Berty. He's one of the more deluded Americans.

You are not correct about Israel doing nothing wrong.

and neither will a sociopathic mindset be correct when it comes to morality.

you're actually making me angry.

children are never legitimate targets. they are protected under international law. you are wrong!

sounds like you haven't checked israels settlement building in the last 10 years.

a fence is not a border, it may MARK a border, but it's not the border.

if there is a border...you say so yourself, then whose land is on the other side of the border to the israeli side? oh that would be palestinian land.

a blockade may well be a legitimate tactic during war, however palestine have no army. no army, no war. yes it's a technicality, but under international law it's an important and valid technicality.

this is also a reason the "war" on terror is unwinnable....it's not a war.

i wasn't resorting to name calling, i'm not that childish...i honestly believe you are an idiot. no offence, just my opinion.

Your mouth is becoming incontinent, Oralboy - an unusual amount of semen is spewing from your gob.

By trying to run a lawful blockade, that flotilla was committing an act of war against Israel. And according to the Laws of War, Israel had the right to torpedo that ship and instantly kill everyone on board.

SECTION III : ENEMY VESSELS AND AIRCRAFT EXEMPT FROM ATTACK

Classes of vessels exempt from attack

47. The following classes of enemy vessels are exempt from attack:

(a) hospital ships;
(b) small craft used for coastal rescue operations and other medical transports;
(c) vessels granted safe conduct by agreement between the belligerent parties including:
(i) cartel vessels, e.g., vessels designated for and engaged in the transport of prisoners of war;
(ii) vessels engaged in humanitarian missions, including vessels carrying supplies indispensable to the survival of the civilian population, and vessels engaged in relief actions and rescue operations;
(d) vessels engaged in transporting cultural property under special protection;
(e) passenger vessels when engaged only in carrying civilian passengers;
(f) vessels charged with religious, non-military scientifc or philanthropic missions, vessels collecting scientific data of likely military applications are not protected;
(g) small coastal fishing vessels and small boats engaged in local coastal trade, but they are subject to the regulations of a belligerent naval commander operating in the area and to inspection;
(h) vessels designated or adapted exclusively for responding to pollution incidents in the marine environment;
(i) vessels which have surrendered;
(j) life rafts and life boats.

oralloy wrote:

By trying to run a lawful blockade, that flotilla was committing an act of war against Israel. And according to the Laws of War, Israel had the right to torpedo that ship and instantly kill everyone on board.

WRONG!!!!!!!

I strongly suggest you actually READ the appropriate sections on both maritime law AND the Geneva Convention.

To save you some time, try reading this...
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/full/560?opendocument

now read section 3, paragraph 47...

Quote:

SECTION III : ENEMY VESSELS AND AIRCRAFT EXEMPT FROM ATTACK

Classes of vessels exempt from attack

47. The following classes of enemy vessels are exempt from attack:

(a) hospital ships;
(b) small craft used for coastal rescue operations and other medical transports;
(c) vessels granted safe conduct by agreement between the belligerent parties including:
(i) cartel vessels, e.g., vessels designated for and engaged in the transport of prisoners of war;
(ii) vessels engaged in humanitarian missions, including vessels carrying supplies indispensable to the survival of the civilian population, and vessels engaged in relief actions and rescue operations;
(d) vessels engaged in transporting cultural property under special protection;
(e) passenger vessels when engaged only in carrying civilian passengers;
(f) vessels charged with religious, non-military scientifc or philanthropic missions, vessels collecting scientific data of likely military applications are not protected;
(g) small coastal fishing vessels and small boats engaged in local coastal trade, but they are subject to the regulations of a belligerent naval commander operating in the area and to inspection;
(h) vessels designated or adapted exclusively for responding to pollution incidents in the marine environment;
(i) vessels which have surrendered;
(j) life rafts and life boats.

The ships the Israeli's attacked qualify under (b)(ii) AND under (i).

There is NO law that allows unarmed ships to be torpedoed and everyone killed, that has been a maritime law since at least ww1.

mysteryman wrote:

There is NO law that allows unarmed ships to be torpedoed and everyone killed, that has been a maritime law since at least ww1.

Yes there is. Ships that try to run a blockade can be sunk.

And if the torpedo or missile that destroys the ship has enough explosive force to instantly snap the necks of all on board the ship, that's perfectly fine.

Or is it that Jew haters are naturally slimy.

Do you have to be such a disgusting creep? Or is it that Jew haters are naturally slimy.