Why There Cannot Be Peace Between Israel and the Palestinians

@BillRM,

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where retaliation to the Warsaw Ghetto uprising could be potentially justifiable.

Please take note that the Palestinians by target killing infants in their mother arms with their suicide bombings in public places is no better an action than an SS soldier bayoneting an infant in Warsaw and holding the infant body out a window.

In fact a case could be make that the Nazis had more of a conscious over Warsaw then the Palestinians over their killings as if memory serve me correctly the German commander who was in charge of dealing with the uprising was court martial and hung for his actions during the uprising by the German military.

Your memory doesn't serve you correctly on this matter. Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski, commander of all troops fighting against the Warsaw Uprising, was captured by the American force while trying to flee the country, and he died in a Munich prison.

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@RST,

One of the gentlemen in charge of putting down the uprising was indeed court martial and shot not hung and I think his name was Bronislaw Kaminski who was a Pole that was working with the Germans and one German general did end up placing soldiers back with armor to stop the SS finally.

In any case, the Palestinians by using suicide bombers against women and children are no better then SS troupers who bayonet infants in the Warsaw ghetto.

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@BillRM,

Comparing the deaths of innocent children and women, Israeli is on the winning side. Israeli's heavy bombardment, commonly called"surgical strikes," by their developed technologies of war, kill more innocent Palestinian women and Children, then Hamas amateur attempts at Israeli civilians.
To me, it seems like there has to be a much better way to go than slaughtering each others civilians.

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@RST,

It would be very nice if the Palestinians would not placed such things as rocket launchers or mortar tubes in the middle of their population centers so they can have people like you crying about their civilian deaths when they are taken out.

Another morals crime as bad or worst then the targeting of Israel civilians as it is using the deaths of their own children and women as a propaganda tool if it does not work as a shield.

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@Advocate,

Well obviously there can't be peace because the Israelis really want the land, and the Palestinians really want the land. The obvious thing to do in this case is to split the land in half and build a large wall made of pork to separate the divergent masses.

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@aspvenom,

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build a large wall made of pork to separate the divergent masses.

LOL............

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@aspvenom,

aspvenom wrote:

Well obviously there can't be peace because the Israelis really want the land, and the Palestinians really want the land. The obvious thing to do in this case is to split the land in half and build a large wall made of pork to separate the divergent masses.

Or, similar to the rules of the game of chess, offer to "castle" Palestineans with Europeans that want peace in the region.

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@BillRM,

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In any case, the Palestinians by using suicide bombers against women and children are no better then SS troupers who bayonet infants in the Warsaw ghetto.

Poor comparison, Bill. But you need look no further than right there at home for cruel, vicious examples.

In any case, the Palestinians are pikers compared to the USAF that carpet bombed 3/4 of a million Cambodians and Laoatians; the US army that napalmed innocent women and children; the numerous groups of US military that raped and gunned down innocent Vietnamese villagers; the vicious acts of the US government that caused the deaths of 1/2 a million Iraqi children; the saturation bombing that killed how many millions of Vietnamese, a people who simply wanted freedom from oppressors like France. But the US only wanted to get its greedy claws into another country, all the better to steal its wealth.

Bill, this could easily go on for pages. But you already know that. Why is this willful ignorance so common among Americans?

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@JTT,

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Bill, this could easily go on for pages. But you already know that. Why is this willful ignorance so common among Americans?

In my opinion, because Americans, like all other peoples on the planet, mostly do not obsess about politics. They have mundane lives that require daily efforts. If you are perhaps fortunate enough to have all your needs met by valets, butlers, etc., then you can be focussed on what you have chosen to focus.

Most people are too busy earning a living, raising a family, and trying to get some enjoyment out of this existence to be concerned about your hyper-focussed concerns. Plus, you chastise Americans, and you have never made an ethical argument why the average American must live up to your hyper-focussed concerns?

In my opinion, you function like a mosquito in a swamp. You just add to the annoyances of swamp life, in my opinion.

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@Foofie,

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you have never made an ethical argument why the average American must live up to your hyper-focussed concerns?

I never knew you had an interest in ethics Foofie. I thought that you were much to busy of a person to find time for moral philosophy.

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@Foofie,

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In my opinion, because Americans, like all other peoples on the planet, mostly do not obsess about politics. They have mundane lives that require daily efforts.

Oh, you poor poor dears. Are your daily efforts like those of the people of Afghanistan who have suffered, for 30 years, the unspeakable horrors visited upon them by the US.

The list could go on for pages, Foofie, and all you want to do is make flimsy excuses for these unspeakable crimes.

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Plus, you chastise Americans, and you have never made an ethical argument why the average American must live up to your hyper-focussed concerns?

You have numerous times made lame excuses for your complete disregard for the slaughter of others, ie. those who aren't American.

This, your latest nonsense, is way way beyond the pale, Foofie.

This is the stuff one would expect from the mouth of an unrepentant Auschwitz commandant, one who completely loved his job.

Common sense tells people with common sense that you should care. US propaganda has duped many Americans and a large portion of the world into thinking that America and Americans care. You are doing a dandy job of dispelling that silly notion.

Now you not only show your true colors, you shine a thousand spotlights on them.

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You just add to the annoyances of swamp life,

You possess such a magnanimous nature, Foofie. How can one person be of such saintly character?

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

You have numerous times made lame excuses for your complete disregard for the slaughter of others, ie. those who aren't American.

I make no excuses, since it is my ethical right to be as oblivious to the world's machinations as the next bloke. I believe you cannot make an ethical argument for assigning to me more needed concern for anything, than all the people you do not proselytize to. You are picking on one American, when you address me. That is called bullying behavior.

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@Foofie,

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I make no excuses, since it is my ethical right to be as oblivious to the world's machinations as the next bloke

So you think that it is an ethical right to be as oblivious as you want?

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I believe you cannot make an ethical argument for assigning to me more needed concern for anything,

Did you learn this in a moral philosophy class?

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You are picking on one American, when you address me. That is called bullying behavior.

Why cant you see it as an intellectual conversation about being ethical?

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@Foofie,

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I make no excuses, since it is my ethical right to be as oblivious to the world's machinations as the next bloke.

That's your right, of course, but don't make these false claims to any degree of ethics.

You're not at all oblivious to the plight of the Jews during WWII.

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I believe you cannot make an ethical argument for assigning to me more needed concern for anything, than all the people you do not proselytize to.

One can't devise ethical standards for one who has repeatedly shown they have no ethical standard.

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You are picking on one American, when you address me.That is called bullying behavior.

You defend the biggest bullies on the planet.

No one else here at A2K gets a free ride for their lack of morals. You just make yourself stand out like a sore thumb.

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@JTT,

Simply put, you are not advancing your concerns by standing in judgement of other people's willingness to commiserate with your concerns. It is just judging people; not what you claim to judge. And, you are not even judging the correct people, since I for one have nothing to do with the politics of the U.S.A. You are judging someone that may just be limited in their scope of interests. That is not unethical. I suspect there is some psychological benefit to your tirades. Perhaps, a desire to be morally superior? O.K. you are morally superior to myself. Now, enjoy your superiority, since I can never measure up to your superiority. See, you may be morally superior, but a poor salesman, in my opinion. Superiority never makes a sale, in my opinion.

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@Foofie,

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You are judging someone that may just be limited in their scope of interests. That is not unethical.

You think JTT is judging someone that may just be limited in their scope of ethical interests and that it is not unethical of you to have a such a little interest?

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@Foofie,

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since I for one have nothing to do with the politics of the U.S.A.

"... government of the people, by the people, for the people ... ."

The German people had an excuse. Speaking out for them would have meant death. Foofie, you live in the US of A, where free speech is thought of as a right, probably the most cherished right.

And yet, still you are silent about the carnage the US has wreaked/wreaks upon the poor of the world, and again, for such base reasons, stuffing your already overly fat faces.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

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since I for one have nothing to do with the politics of the U.S.A.

"... government of the people, by the people, for the people ... ."

The German people had an excuse. Speaking out for them would have meant death. Foofie, you live in the US of A, where free speech is thought of as a right, probably the most cherished right.

And yet, still you are silent about the carnage the US has wreaked/wreaks upon the poor of the world, and again, for such base reasons, stuffing your already overly fat faces.

No cigar. You forgot about my right to pursue happiness. For me that means mundane concerns - peanut butter sandwiches, coffee, and oh yes, all foreigners should look elsewhere for commiseration. Please peddle your anti-American bias with another poster. I suspect you are quite young, compared to me. Perhaps, still living at home, with Mom making dinner for you, in my opinion?

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@Foofie,

You want to pursue obliviousness; you are more than welcome to that. Just stop with your lies already and you'll be free to "obliv" your life away.

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Please peddle your anti-American bias with another poster.

Pointing out the obvious, that the US is the biggest terrorist group on the planet, that the US has committed myriad war crimes does not reflect an anti-American bias. It is simple honesty, something y'all badly need to learn.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

You want to pursue obliviousness; you are more than welcome to that. Just stop with your lies already and you'll be free to "obliv" your life away.

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Please peddle your anti-American bias with another poster.

Pointing out the obvious, that the US is the biggest terrorist group on the planet, that the US has committed myriad war crimes does not reflect an anti-American bias. It is simple honesty, something y'all badly need to learn.

Shhh. I'm about to Pledge Allegiance to the Flag (of the United States of American).

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