NASTY SANDY CHURNING UP THE COAST

@farmerman,

Ted mann at WSJ has a good article on this..it is not going to be easy..a lot of these parts are very old, there are no replacements available. Mann does not say so, but finding labor might be hard too.

It this mornings statement the mta was not willing to give even a guess on how long this will take.

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@hawkeye10,

As Farmer had said if this is old electromechanical devices they can be taken apart and clean and refurbish in short order.

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@BillRM,

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The whole fear and concern level being generated by the news media over a barely cat 1 is shameful.

If you'd been an RN at a major NYCity hospital and had to evacuate numerous critical care infants as well as very sick elderly patients during hurricane Sandy, you wouldn't have the time to post such trash.

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http://gothamist.com/2012/10/30/free_mta_buses_resume_at_5_pm_nyers.php

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Governor Cuomo and MTA Chair Joe Lhota just updated everybody on the state of the MTA there is good news and there is bad news. Let's start with the good news: According to Cuomo a limited bus service will resume TODAY AT 5 P.M.. But only limited ("Basically the Sunday schedule.") Further, "no fares will be charged on buses today or tomorrow." And it gets better: according to Lhota, no MTA "buses have any damage, nor do any subway cars. All [of the trouble is] on the lines, all on the track level." So that is the good news.

Still expect it to take a bit of time for the system to get back on line. Think "restoration of parts of the system, not the whole thing," as Cuomo put it. He went on to explain that the damage from the waters yesterday "are unlike things this city has seen in decades, if ever."

After Cuomo spoke, Lhota took a turn to talk about the status of the tunnels (there Brooklyn-Battery tunnel is still all wet) and to let everyone know that sadly the MTA's assessment of the situation is going to "take a little longer than we had thought." Which makes sense when, y'know, downtown the "South Street station water is literally up to the ceiling."

Still, Lhota says "if there are parts that we can get up, we'll get them up" and asks that New Yorkers "understand and be creative with us." So be ready to take the bus and keep your eye on MTA.info, where the Authority hopes to keep New Yorkers up to date on their plans.

As for the MTA's non-subway and bus coverages, those will also be up and running eventually too—but things like a BOAT ON THE TRACKS OF THE OSSINING LINE are making it hard to bring them back up. As for airports? The Governor hopes that JFK will reopen tomorrow but is dubious about LaGuardia's chances due to serious damage.

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@ehBeth,

This could be a secret plan of the New York mayor to make the overweight New Yorkers walk more.

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@Miller,

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If you'd been an RN at a major NYCity hospital and had to evacuate numerous critical care infants as well as very sick elderly patients during hurricane Sandy, you wouldn't have the time to post such trash.

An if the city power had fail for some other reason and the backup system did not work we would had have the same situation.

It does not take a hurricane of any kind to knock out power for a time that why all hospitals should all have working backup power systems let alone a major one dealing with critical care infants.!!!!!!!!!

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@BillRM,

Footnote just for my own comfort I have not one generator but two back up generators at home that I check on a regulator basic and for a major hospital to not have working back up power systems when they was given days of warnings that it might be needed is criminal and if some infant had been harm whoever had not done his or her job should be facing charges.

My not thinking that this is not a super storm and been hyped is not the reason that infants needed to be move out of a major hospital.

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@hawkeye10,

this is old tyme oil field savvy. We drill through saltwater and then hit oil and send down electrical logging equipment into saline water and keep it running and clean it up. I think they shut the power down with such a "preventive" concept in mind.

Engineers in the power industry and electrical railroads are mostly competent people. Youre just guessing, they get paid to know. Their mistakes are at a n extremely higher order than your knowledge of the subject so it may take days or weeks but itll be done right. I trust my field engineers with my clients money (and my paychecks and bonuses)
NY is losing several Billion dollars a day with shutdowns as this.

PS werent you and Billy the ones who were touting that someone is "Hyping the hurricane and harm it may cause"?

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@Miller,

Well said, Miller.

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@farmerman,

The reason they may lose billions is someone/beans counter did not think it was worthwhile/cost effective to place safeguards into place for a rare event.

Not that Sandy was such an event that it should cost billions to get the infrastructure back online.

Like Miller that is trying to blame hurricane Sandy for the fact that some fool did not make sure that backup power system were in working order and infants and old people needed to be move out of a major hospital under less then ideal conditions.

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@Butrflynet,

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Well said, Miller.

LOL..............

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@BillRM,

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The reason they may be lose billions is someone/beans counter did not think it was worthwhile/cost effective to place safeguards into place for a rare event.

Not that Sandy was such an event that it should cost billions to get the infrastructure back online

Bill is demonstrating how it is possible to have an argument with yourself on the web. Always be alert to "someone/beans counter"

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@farmerman,

I think the zig zag track this composite tropical/northeaster storm took will be studied for decades. A fascinating study of nature's complexity.

Bill's tangled and contradictory arguments are right up there too - often as disjoint and disconnected as his syntax . The difference, of course is that he is less interesting.

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You know people with special note to Farmman and Miller you have back up protections for things that mean something to you.

My wife one home have a redone basement that she spend around 20,00o on and as a result she does not wish it to be flooded.

So there is the everyday electric pump, a water pressure power backup pump and real time monitoring as part of her alarm system. The back up pump is check every few months also.

Given how important the subway system is to New York the funds should had been spend to guard even against a rare event and that this was not done is not proof that hurricane Sandy was inherently a costly event just that the city planners did not do their job.

Just as whoever oversaw the backup power plant in that one NYC hospital did not do his or her job.

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@BillRM,

No amount of 'guarding' the subways would have stopped a damn thing - when you have storm surge of that size, it's coming in no matter what you try and do about it. And there's nowhere to pump it to...

Cycloptichorn

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@farmerman,

Poor Farmerman you know as well as I do that safe guards against such a storm causing harm to the subway system should had been in place and would not even had been that costly.

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@BillRM,

But, Bill! It was just a cat 1 hurricane! There was no reason for these people to have backups or to even think about doing their jobs.

According to you, they should have been out there on the beach in swimming trunks enjoying the light breeze.

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@georgeob1,

Yes the idea that if something is important to the society it should have safeguards in place is beyond you ability to understand.

Speaking of that it is time for me to do a hard drive back up of my info.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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No amount of 'guarding' the subways would have stopped a damn thing - when you have storm surge of that size, it's coming in no matter what you try and do about it. And there's nowhere to pump it to...

Come on have a few water tight doors that could be shut in the tunnels for example!!!!!!!!

Have the parts on hand to do a fast repair on the parts of the tunnels that did get flooded.

An so on.............................

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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No amount of 'guarding' the subways would have stopped a damn thing - when you have storm surge of that size, it's coming in no matter what you try and do about it. And there's nowhere to pump it to...

Come on have a few water tight doors that could be shut in the tunnels for example!!!!!!!!

Have you been to NYC? I think you maybe are underestimating the number of entry points into the system here. There are various grates and air vents that connect the subway tunnels to the surface EVERYWHERE and mile after mile of underground passages. To seal this all against the tremendous pressures we are talking about would be flatly impossible.

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Have the parts on hand to do a fast repair on the parts of the tunnels that did get flooded.

An so on.............................

I'm quite sure they do have this. My guess is that the tracks will be repaired quite quickly once they can be dried out.

Cycloptichorn

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