Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2012 05:55 am
Yes, Ryan is running for his congressional seat.

I think different states have different laws as to whether someone can appear on a ballot more than once. Joe Lieberman ran for his Senate seat while running for VP.
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reasoning logic
Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2012 06:23 am
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2012 08:32 am
Actually given the debate the week before in which Obama clearly stunk and democrats nationwide were wringing their hands with dismay, Joe Biden's mission was to shore up the base and get the Obama's administration message across. He succeeded in both.

Next it is Obama's turn. In my opinion, Obama does not need to do a Biden even if it was in his nature to do so. What he needs to do is stay steady, articulate his positions and when Romney says something not factual which he will, point it out. If Romney says it is not true, simply say yes it is and move on. Don't even try to be agreeable. At least that is my view of it for whatever it is worth.
Finn dAbuzz
Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2012 10:57 am
That's interesting advice which someone has no doubt given to Romney. If they both follow it, it will make for a dull debate.
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2012 02:00 pm
@Joe Nation,
I love you joe. You (almost) always express my thoughts very well. If I was quick enough to think them.
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2012 09:06 am
@Region Philbis,
This is why DEMS are retarded: NO ONE gave a man who earned his own wealth a damned thing.
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2012 12:20 pm
Biden comes across as real, as natural, as caring, and as someone who does say what he thinks. His concern for the middle class American seems very genuine, and he does connect with their priorities and goals. That all adds up to trustworthiness, something that is important to voters.

In contrast, Ryan appears cold, rigid, fast to criticize but unable to offer clear alternative solutions, and he is constantly changing his own positions to adjust to Romney's flip-flops. He's like a salesman trying to pass off a used car as one with dealer and factory certified repairs and reconditioning, but who tells you that you can't see the car's repair history, or warranty, until after you pay for it in full and drive it off his lot. This "just trust me, you'll get the facts later," fast talk does not inspire trust, particularly for middle class Americans struggling with health care costs, college tuition for their children, and uncertainty in the job market.

I think Biden made Ryan look like a wet-behind-the-ears cocky kid who is not ready to assume the Presidency if need be--a major consideration in a Vice Presidential candidate. And that was just as important as any specific differences in their positions. Who wins or loses one debate isn't as important as who is the best man for the job for the next four years--and debate skills are not part of the V.P.'s job description, but readiness to assume the Presidency certainly is.
Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2012 01:07 pm
Biden comes across as real, as natural, as caring, and as someone who does say what he thinks.

to you maybe....I have yet to see any data showing that America thought that.
Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 06:35 pm
By Michael Gerson, Monday, October 15, 4:18 PM

Normally, a debate “victory” doesn’t require quite so much damage control. Following Vice President Biden’s manic, careening ride through global politics last week, President Obama is left to make a variety of cleanups and clarifications..
So, in a mere 90 minutes, Biden managed to throw Hillary Clinton under the bus, CIA Director David Petraeus under the bus, our Afghan allies and the Afghan people under the bus and our Middle Eastern allies who fear an Iranian bomb under the bus. Which means that Obama, in trying to explain himself, is in for a bumpy ride. There is a reason Biden is generally kept out of press earshot. He is forever poised between an indiscretion and a different indiscretion.

But Biden’s performance will be forever remembered not for its content but for its tone. I have occasionally admired Biden’s emotional transparency and “happy warrior” enthusiasm. His debate presentation in Kentucky, in contrast, was a collection of disturbing, disorderly appetites. He displayed scene-chewing antics and preening exhibitionism and smirking rudeness and egotistical exuberance and bullying condescension. It was the attack of the feral ham actor. It would have been embarrassing if done in front of a mirror, much less on a debate stage.
At the height of a close election, it is worth a reminder that civility is the essential democratic virtue. Civility is not the same thing as niceness. The high stakes of politics can produce intense disagreements. But manners — even cold, formal ones — communicate a modicum of mutual respect and preserve the possibility of cooperation. John Stuart Mill called democracy “government by discussion.” Biden has left our discussion more toxic — and Obama’s task more difficult.

Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 07:41 pm
Why should anyone show respect to a lier?
Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2012 07:57 pm
RABEL222 wrote:

Why should anyone show respect to a lier?

the vp should show respect for the dignity of his office, which has nothing to do with Ryan.
NSFW (view)
Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2012 05:02 pm

Ryan's closing statement
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