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Tonight's Presidential Candidate Debate...

 
 
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 07:26 am
@H2O MAN,
Too bad you've already posted your negative opinions of Ms. Crowley.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 07:27 am
@farmerman,
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c0.0.400.400/p403x403/545388_10100902475518739_256891811_n.jpg
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 07:28 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Romney once again shamelessly lied his way through the debate. I'm happy that Obama decided this time to tell him to his face that he was a liar.

Case in point, on Romney's insistence that regulations have quadrupled under Obama -

Quote:
Obama’s White House has approved fewer regulations than his predecessor George W. Bush at this same point in their tenures, and the estimated costs of those rules haven’t reached the annual peak set in fiscal 1992 under Bush’s father, according to government data reviewed by Bloomberg News. The average annual cost to businesses under Obama is higher than under his predecessors, the Bloomberg review shows. The increase is estimated to total as little as $100 million or as much as $4.1 billion, or at most three one-hundredths of a percent of the total economy.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-25/obama-wrote-5-fewer-rules-than-bush-while-costing-business.html

So, yeah. Full of ****, as usual.

And I loved it when Crowley embarrassed Romney on the Libya thing. Loved it.

Cycloptichorn


You mean when the moderator of a Presidential debate interjected her personal (and wrong) beliefs?

Here's the relevant portion of the transcript (emphasis added):
Quote:

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.

Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory and let us continue their work in seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost, and may God bless the United States of America.


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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 07:39 am


http://im41.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Candy-Crowley-I.jpeg

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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 07:45 am
@McGentrix,
So when Obama says the attack was an act of terror, it means he did not say it was terrorism?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 07:48 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

So when Obama says the attack was an act of terror, it means he did not say it was terrorism?


Thing is, he didn't say that. His speech writer was very specific to avoid directly calling it an act of terror. Read what he said, not what you think he said.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 07:50 am
@DrewDad,

Obama did NOT say the attack on the consulate was a terrorist act.
What he did say was that “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation.”
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 08:21 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
Thing is, he didn't say that. His speech writer was very specific to avoid directly calling it an act of terror. Read what he said, not what you think he said.

Thing is, he did say it. He just didn't say it loud enough to penetrate your shield of wharrgarbl.
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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 08:25 am
@McGentrix,
He clearly was talking of the four men who just died in service of their country when he said "no acts of terror."

Quote:
THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.

Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.

Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.

Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.

Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 08:40 am
@McGentrix,
Dude, this is absolutely ridiculous. Seriously. Dumbest hair to try and split, ever.

I mean, I don't even understand the point you are trying to make. Was Obama not referring to the attacks that just took place, in the speech he was giving about it, when he said 'acts of terror?' If not that, then what exactly is the point you are trying to make?

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 08:45 am


LOL!!

Lefties know full well Romney got it right, that's why
their reaction today is far more irrational than normal
revelette
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 09:06 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Lefties know full well Romney got it right, that's why
their reaction today is far more irrational than normal


Really?

When 32 seconds after the debate ended, Fox News was going on about the questions that were asked rather than Romney's responses? Not a good sign for Romney's 2 debate night.

Quote:
KELLY: And the questions! 11 questions asked in all, and some of which will certainly be discussed tomorrow. Topics that we haven’t heard at all in this campaign — equal pay for women, in fact there were a lot of women’s issues discussed…abortion, contraception, women’s pay as I mentioned. Some might argue it was obvious pandering to women because the female vote is so important in this election. Apart from equal pay for women, we heard a discussion about assault weapons ban, a question to Mitt Romney about how are you different from President Bush, and then a question to President Obama, what have you done to earn my vote? The one question on foreign policy by my count was about Libya, and seemed to cover ground that we already knew the answer to: it was who denied the request for increased security. Well, we heard great testimony about that last week, there were State department officials who answered that question. So there will be some questions about those selections, Bret.


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Gargamel
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 09:18 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:


Obama did NOT say the attack on the consulate was a terrorist act.
What he did say was that “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation.”


And in spite of that nuance the consensus is that Obama won the debate, albeit narrowly. You of all people don't need to be reminded that the consensus actually matters in a motherfucking election, for example the 2008 election, bitch.
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Gargamel
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 09:20 am
Also, you know you'd trade Candy for the bottle of lotion you're currently dating any day.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 09:31 am


Bottom line:

After the dust settles, Obama and his supporters continue to
operate in panic mode because Romney continues to gain ground.
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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 09:48 am
I don't accept the argument that it is a nuanced difference.

The President said an act of terror, it is right there in the transcript. Romney questioned whether Obama used those words "acts of terror." Crowley simply said he did, which he did.

Quote:
(Crowley)Well, I knew that the president had said 'acts of terror,' because this had come up before, and also, I heard him that day. What Mitt Romney was going for -- and I think where he tripped himself up -- was he picked that one wrong fact. The president did call it, or refer to it in some way, as an act of terror. And so I felt as though -- and the president kept looking at me going, 'you know' -- and I thought, well, I did know then. I said he did call it an act of terror. That's what caused the applause ... on this side over here, which is clearly the Obama side."

And then I said, 'you are correct that they didn't know for a couple of weeks that it wasn't related to the tape and there was no riot outside the consulate.' And then that side of the room clapped. I wasn't getting them to clap. It was meant to bring some kind of clarity to the conversation.


Quote:
No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.


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It is clear the President was referring to deaths of those at the consulate in Libya because he goes on to talk about bringing justice done for "this terrible act."
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 10:02 am


I refuse to give the left wing political spin machine any credence on their word game argument.

Romney got it right and Candy Crowley admitted that he got it right in an interview after the debate.

Advantage Romney.
jcboy
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2012 10:07 am
H20 man must be right, his profile says he's a 'Conservative Activist " lol. Razz
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