U.S. middle east policy, pros and cons: discuss

The necessarily discriminatory and oppressive Israeli regime should be ground into dust and be replaced by a truly democratic, egalitarian and pluralistic one that enfranchises all of the peoples of Israel/Palestine.

The nonsensical conversation stems from the fact that you incessantly lie.

I'd note that without US support Israel would have been ground into dust years ago and without continued support it will get so ground.

Twenty Bahraini medics who treated activists wounded during anti-government protests were jailed for between five and 15 years in sentences that were immediately denounced by medical bodies and human rights groups around the world.

It's also quite simplistic to state that the whole of the Middle East hates Israel because of anti-Semitism, not because of how Israel treats the Palestinians and its neighbours.

The fact is America's support of Israel has been far from even handed,

America's use of the veto in the UN has meant Israel has literally got away with murder.

Ahmed Bouchiki, an innocent Moroccan waiter, was gunned down in cold blood by Mossad,

and the treatment of Mordechai Vanunu is inhuman.

People have the right to protest, and in Egypt Morsi has taken measures to make sure those protests don't become violent.

This has been no mean feat in a country where an unpopular dictator was kept in power by America,

and where America's respect for democracy was not forthcoming until the 11th hour.

but it's alive and well in Bahrain where America has a naval base. America has turned a blind eye when the Bahraini government uses Saudi troops to put down protests by the majority population, and imprisons doctors for treating the wounded.

Undercover agents had been sent by Israel as part of Operation Wrath of God to assassinate Ali Hassan Salameh, the leader of the Black September Organization, a Palestinian militant group that carried out the 1972 Munich Massacre. They mistook Bouchiki for their target and shot him repeatedly as he walked back from a cinema to his apartment with his pregnant wife. Two members of the assassination team were arrested the next day as they re-used a getaway car to go to the airport. After their interrogation the whole cell was arrested. Incriminating documents and the keys to a network of safe houses were discovered.[1]

The revelations of the captured agents dealt a massive blow to the secret infrastructure of the Mossad in Europe. Agents who had been exposed had to be recalled, safe houses abandoned, phone numbers changed and operational methods modified. Harari, the leader of the assassins, managed to escape and was never extradited by Israel to Norway. In 1996, Israel paid compensation equal to US$283,000 split between Bouchiki's wife and daughter, and a separate settlement of US$118,000 to a son from a previous marriage,[2] Israel never officially took responsibility for the assassination,[3] although it expressed sorrow to Bouchiki's family members in the trial hearings.

America's use of the veto in the UN has meant Israel has literally got away with murder. Ahmed Bouchiki, an innocent Moroccan waiter, was gunned down in cold blood by Mossad

The above article is not at all biased, it merely states what happened

No nation state has the right to start gun battles in another country.

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The necessarily discriminatory and oppressive Israeli regime should be ground into dust and be replaced by a truly democratic, egalitarian and pluralistic one that enfranchises all of the peoples of Israel/Palestine.

That is an impossibility. With the muslim population outnumbering the jewish, the purpose that Israel was established for would cease to exist. Just as the Jews discriminate against the Muslims, once the Muslims were in power (as they are the majority), they would discriminate against the Jews. Likely, as they have a seething hatred for the Jewish people, it would be violent, bloody, and prolonged. I wouldn't be surprised if it ended in Genocide.

Israel itself is becoming a liability to the very purpose it was established for.

The world would not allow it to happen,

and defense of a truly democratic and egalitarian regime would be much more moral than defense of a necessarily discriminatory and oppressive one.

Paranoid? For suggesting the mere possibility (given the massive hatred of Israel in the area)?

That shows a distinct lack of understanding of hatred, cause and effect, and history.

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Israel itself is becoming a liability to the very purpose it was established for.

And therefore should cease to exist? (as would happen under your proposal)

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The world would not allow it to happen,

That's a bit of a risky roll of the dice.

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and defense of a truly democratic and egalitarian regime would be much more moral than defense of a necessarily discriminatory and oppressive one.

True enough...but this has little to do with the real world.

You're making a lot of paranoid assumptions about genocide.

You're making a lot of paranoid assumptions about genocide.

Paranoid? For suggesting the mere possibility (given the massive hatred of Israel in the area)?

You did make the assertion that, "just as the Jews discriminate against the Muslims, once the Muslims were in power (as they are the majority), they would discriminate against the Jews."

What that shows is a distinct lack of stereotyping and bigotry that to a large part underlies the impasse towards a solution to this conflict.

What should cease to exist is the Israeli regime. Don't conflate the regime with the people.

Why wouldn't it support Israel as a truly democratic, pluralistic and egalitarian one?

To a cynical worldview, perhaps.

I also agree with his opinions about the Middle East, but that's far from what our government has done and will continue to do that infuriates many citizens of the ME and around the world. Our blind support of Israel is wrong-headed in every way; they are not a "democracy" by any stretch of the imagination or definition. They continue to steal Palestinian lands at will, and nobody in our government acknowledges these crimes. Our government has been broken for many decades, and I see it getting worse.

Much of the misinformation of Americans can be blamed on the media - including, but not limited to, the hatred of Muslims and the belief that most are terrorists.

Some people are just totally ignorant about world facts.

Total Jewish population in the world is 13.3 million. Total Muslim population in the world is over 2-billion.

It's also quite simplistic to state that the whole of the Middle East hates Israel because of anti-Semitism, not because of how Israel treats the Palestinians and its neighbours.