Several People Shot Near the Empire State Building

@oralloy,

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I wouldn't want to have to stop a charging bear with a .45ACP.

we usually shoots em in the eye. that dont hurt the meat. Remember, you cant beat a bears meat

@farmerman,

It appears that some of the cops QERE carrying 9mm Glocks. I have no idea why. Must the cops pay for their own guns and are they given some kind of choice in wepons selection??
1 45 ACP will stop and drive back a perp (Assuming that the one firing at the perp is not equating quantity of fire with quality). Its been saifd that 8 cops delivered 71 shots andonly 2 hit the perp.

OK GUYS ___TO THE FIRING RANGE NOW!!

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

oralloy wrote:
I wouldn't want to have to stop a charging bear with a .45ACP.

we usually shoots em in the eye. that dont hurt the meat. Remember, you cant beat a bears meat

I've never tried bear meat before. I suppose that if a bear is trying to eat me though, fair is fair.

However, trying to hit them in the eye is not likely to succeed.

So far as anti-bear handguns go, a .44 magnum is probably the minimum. If the shooter can handle the recoil, the .454 Casull is good too.

I'm skeptical of handgun cartridges that are even more powerful than the .454 Casull, because those more powerful cartridges pack the recoil energy of a 12 gauge magnum, and that seems a bit much for a mere handgun.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

I'm skeptical of handgun cartridges that are even more powerful than the .454 Casull, because those more powerful cartridges pack the recoil energy of a 12 gauge magnum, and that seems a bit much for a mere handgun.

If you don't mind a sprained wrist...
And, likely, a near-paralyzed palm of your other hand, if you tried to aim two-handed...
What the hell; there're hazards to everything.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

Its been saifd that 8 cops delivered 71 shots and only 2 hit the perp.

OK GUYS ___TO THE FIRING RANGE NOW!!

It probably isn't the cops' fault.

No matter what caliber they were using, the trigger pull on the NYPD's guns is made so difficult that it isn't humanly possible to aim the gun and pull the trigger at the same time.

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@oralloy,

have they made the Glock fully inoperable(NO I MEAN INOPERTIVE)? Are they afraid that the cops will blow their pants off when taking out their weapons??
I see some needed military training re: handling a weapon in stressful situations. This sounds more like badass skills than some trigger mechanism. AFter all, it takes but a fingernail file and a screwdriver to fix that condition.
They might as well go back to cylinders and sppedloaders so they can hold the trigger back on let the hammer do the walking.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

have they made the Glock fully inoperable(NO I MEAN INOPERTIVE)? Are they afraid that the cops will blow their pants off when taking out their weapons??

The thinking is that if a trigger is extremely difficult for an adult to pull, it will be impossible for a child to pull.

Sometime back in the 1990s, the anti-gunners wanted to federally mandate it for all guns in America, but the NRA blocked it.

After the anti-gunners finished with their usual bout of name-calling whenever the NRA blocks them, they went to the NYC and had some zealot in the political bureaucracy mandate it for all of the NYPD's guns.

farmerman wrote:

This sounds more like badass skills than some trigger mechanism. AFter all, it takes but a fingernail file and a screwdriver to fix that condition.

Any NYPD officer who dares to fix the condition on their gun will probably be fired and publicly pilloried as some sort of a vigilante rogue cop.

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@oralloy,

The "NY trigger" is a spring assembly. Thats even easier to fix and have a
second " assembly available for inspection. Are there some kinds of spring locks on the pin holder assemblies?

THIS IS FUCKIN INSANE!!

Why would anyone wanna be a cop in that stupid ass city?

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

The "NY trigger" is a spring assembly. Thats even easier to fix and have a second "assembly available for inspection.

But I'm sure it'd be the end of their career if they ever got caught.

farmerman wrote:

Are there some kinds of spring locks on the pin holder assemblies?

I don't know. I just remember that the NRA blocked an effort to mandate it for all guns in the US. And then soon after it was mandated for the NYPD.

farmerman wrote:

Why would anyone wanna be a cop in that stupid ass city?

Well, the people who live there might want to police their own town if they were inclined to become a cop. And also it is a large and prestigious police organization in a large and prestigious city. That may draw people to want to join.

Plus, it isn't like any one cop is going to be in a shootout all that often, and if they do happen to accidentally hit a bystander while engaging in a legitimate shooting, they'll probably have legal immunity, with the city bearing the brunt of any legal challenge.

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@oralloy,

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Plus, it isn't like any one cop is going to be in a shootout all that often

Preparing for eventualities is what all combat training goes to. It assumes that somehwere, someday, you will need the skills and the propwr equipment. SO here theyve reduced the equipment's reliability and accuracy for one reason alone, when there are other means to protect kids like those interactive gun locks that use an RFID that only recognizes one set of prints. AND the RFID assembly is part of the trigger locks.

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According to CNN today, all of the wounded were shot by or wounded by cops...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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Oralloy -- my apologies. Seems you were right; I was dead wrong.

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@Lustig Andrei,

Lustig Andrei wrote:

Oralloy -- my apologies. Seems you were right; I was dead wrong.

That's OK. Just don't blame the cops. The city forces the NYPD to use guns that are nearly impossible to aim.

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@oralloy,

That's not really true.
The police fire 16 bullets. 10 hit their intended target. 9 other people were still wounded.

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@parados,

You consider that a good average?

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@parados,

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The police fire 16 bullets

is firing 16 times at a person who has shot 0 times when there are lots of innocents around a good idea?

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@hawkeye10,

On the face of it, no.

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@roger,

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You consider that a good average?

Of course, in the real world no one ever misses a moving target. Rolling Eyes

I consider it a lot of things.
It shows that the guns aren't as hard to aim as oralloy is claiming.
It shows that even IF the shooter hits his target there can still be other people injured which fails to support any argument that more armed people would have aimed better and hurt less.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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The police fire 16 bullets

is firing 16 times at a person who has shot 0 times when there are lots of innocents around a good idea?

But if only more citizens had been armed to take the shooter down....

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@parados,

parados wrote:

That's not really true.

The NYPD is required to use a 12 pound trigger.

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