QUESTION:: WHY DOES THE MIDDLE CLASS VOTE AGAINST ITS INTERESTS?

@cicerone imposter,

oralloy posted again after mine, so he must be reading my posts. Mr. Green

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@cicerone imposter,

scroll, scroll, scroll....

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

I betcha oralloy only posts his personal opinion(s) not based on facts or evidence.

Pipe down, retard. Why don't you go play in the road or something?

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@cicerone imposter,

Will anyone please send me a PM when oralloy says anything worth reading?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

oralloy posted again after mine, so he must be reading my posts.

You retards might want to leave the logic to us non-retards.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Will anyone please send me a PM when oralloy says anything worth reading?

Actually, don't. If that retard puts me back on ignore, please encourage him to leave me on ignore. It'll cut down on his mindless babbling.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

By the way.... the 500 shells you are referring to contained DEGRADED mustard and sarin and were so badly corroded they were unusable. They were also declared by Iraq has having been lost or misplaced after the 1991 war.The condition of them points to that being accurate.

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918

Why did you ask for a cite if you already knew about the shells?

parados wrote:

So you were wrong on Saddam keeping his stockpile,

I disagree. I consider them part of Saddam's stockpile.

parados wrote:

you were wrong on there being 500 shells of nerve gas

Yes. There were 500 shells, but they were a mix of nerve gas and mustard gas, not straight nerve gas.

parados wrote:

and you were wrong on how degraded the materials were.

I cannot be wrong about a statement I have never made.

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@oralloy,

From your source -

Quote:

"Yes, these certainly are munitions," Skelton added, "but they are not the evidence of prewar assertions made by the administration."

So.. your evidence of WMD that supports Bush administration claims don't seem to do that even in the source you provided.

But, I guess you can just move the goal posts a little more if you feel you need to.

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@oralloy,

Quote:

I disagree. I consider them part of Saddam's stockpile.

Your opinion isn't fact. We were going for facts here oralloy.

CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq

Quote:

I cannot be wrong about a statement I have never made.

I see. So degraded nerve gas is still a WMD? An interesting argument or is this just another movement of the goalposts?

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@parados,

What goal post? oralloy doesn't have "anything" resembling a goal post; all his assertions are baseless.

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@cicerone imposter,

scroll, scroll, scroll....

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@parados,

parados wrote:

From your source -

Quote:
"Yes, these certainly are munitions," Skelton added, "but they are not the evidence of prewar assertions made by the administration."

So.. your evidence of WMD that supports Bush administration claims don't seem to do that even in the source you provided.

The fact that the Washington Post quotes a Bush Hater does not mean that the quote is correct.

The Washington Post confirms that hundreds of chemical weapon shells were found in the desert.

parados wrote:

But, I guess you can just move the goal posts a little more if you feel you need to.

Nah. I just feel a need to say that hundreds of chemical shells were found in the desert.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

oralloy wrote:
I disagree. I consider them part of Saddam's stockpile.

Your opinion isn't fact. We were going for facts here oralloy.

CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq

It is a fact that hundreds of chemical shells were found in the Iraqi desert.

parados wrote:

oralloy wrote:
I cannot be wrong about a statement I have never made.

I see. So degraded nerve gas is still a WMD?

Yes.

parados wrote:

An interesting argument or is this just another movement of the goalposts?

What goalposts do you think are moving?

Hundreds of chemical shells were found in the desert.

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@oralloy,

"Hundreds of chemical shells were found in the desert. "

how many thousands of Iraqis were killed for each one...?

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@oralloy,

So.. you are arguing that WMDs can be something that is completely harmless.
That makes a LOT of sense.

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@parados,

They are never "completely harmless." Their potential for destruction is beyond the imagination of most civilians who never suffered its effects.

Also, most of the high yield thermonuclear weapons are made by the US.

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@Rockhead,

Rockhead wrote:

"Hundreds of chemical shells were found in the desert. "

how many thousands of Iraqis were killed for each one...?

Don't know precisely.

I estimate that collateral damage from the Iraq war was no more than 10,000.

That would make 20 Iraqi civilians killed per shell found.

But collateral damage estimates do not count troops killed on the battlefield.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

So.. you are arguing that WMDs can be something that is completely harmless.
That makes a LOT of sense.

Degraded nerve gas shells are extremely deadly.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

They are never "completely harmless." Their potential for destruction is beyond the imagination of most civilians who never suffered its effects.

Well, chemical weapons aren't really any worse than high explosive.

But I guess high explosive does tend to pack a punch.

cicerone imposter wrote:

Also, most of the high yield thermonuclear weapons are made by the US.

Nonsense. How great does the yield have to be to meet your standard of high yield?

Regardless, Russia has always made the most high yield nukes.

Granted, Teller wanted to make some truly beautiful beasts that would have their yield measured in Gigatons. But the US wasn't interested, and it didn't happen.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

parados wrote:
So.. you are arguing that WMDs can be something that is completely harmless.
That makes a LOT of sense.

Degraded nerve gas shells are extremely deadly.

oh.. you are forgetting that the majority of them were probably mustard gas.

Oh well.. let's move the goal posts again.

But then, we should take your guess over those that were actually on the ground?

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