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QUESTION:: WHY DOES THE MIDDLE CLASS VOTE AGAINST ITS INTERESTS?

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 07:12 pm
@Lash,
Look at the sacred cows in this country.

Unions
Churches (tax free status)
Business
Gun control
abortion
the military

These institutions each have a screaming crowd of people who consider any attempt to restrict in any way the absolute freedom to practice / support these groups or ideas as a direct war.

Dems have theirs, Repubs have theirs.

Which of your sacred cows will you sacrifice?

(The preceding message may bring to light why business (and their supporters) are loathe to give a few more inches...slippery slope and all.)
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 07:21 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

There are likely many middle class voters who are voting their pocketbook.

They may think they are voting their pocketbook, but I think if you asked someone in the middle class if Romney (for example) should pay the same tax rate as them, they would say yes. When you look at the whole tax burden, federal, state, local - Romney pays about half what I pay as a percentage. I think many middle class voters don't have the time to really understand pocketbook issues and so are swayed by sound bites and social issues.
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 07:35 pm
@engineer,
If you make below a certain amount, you don't owe. Actually, some people GET money during tax season depending on low income and the number of dependents they have.

I also think there should be a cap. A high one for gabillionaires, but a cap.

I want loopholes cut, though. Trust me, it'll wind up netting MUCH more in taxes.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 07:37 pm
@Lash,
which loopholes.

they are certainly not gonna give them all up.

specifically what is he planning to change in the tax codes?
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 07:54 pm
@Rockhead,
Hey. I don't even pretend to know. I'm not doing a Romney commercial here. I don't know **** about him. I dropped out of following politics a few years ago. I dislike and distrust everyone in political office. (with the possible exception of Dennis Kucinich Wink

I DID know, however, several honest answers to the OP, and offered them here.

A previous poster mentioned the loophole closure as one of Romney's campaign promises. I don't like the little I know about either of these chuckleheads, and may not vote. Second time in my life.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 07:58 pm
@Lash,
mrs. Kucinich is a babe...
Lash
 
  1  
Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 07:59 pm
@Rockhead,
wow, I just googled a pic. She totally is!
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 08:00 pm
@Lash,
dys pointed it out to me so I would take Dennis seriously.

it worked...
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 08:03 pm
@Rockhead,
Dys always said, "You have to know your audience.." Funny, he'd laugh at me if he knew I'd been following Dennis and quoting him.
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 08:35 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

If you make below a certain amount, you don't owe.

You always owe. Those who make so little that they don't owe federal or state are destroyed by sales and gasoline taxes (since they spend just about all their income). Where I live, gas is taxed at 10%, sales tax is 7% and everyone pays social security at 4.2% and medicare at 1.45%. (Social Security is normally 6.2% but Obama lowered it as part of the stimulus. It is scheduled to go back up.) Don't forget real estate taxes (even for renters since it is added to the rent). My guess is for a low income renter that is around an 8% hit around here. Romney (again, for example since one year of his taxes are public record) pays 0% social security, 0% medicare, 0% sales tax, 1% real estate tax, 0% gas tax. Wait you say, Romney pays those taxes! Of course he does, but social security is capped at ~$4,600 and only applies to salaries, not investment income. That is around 0.04% of Romney's salary, not even showing up in the first decimal place. Likewise all those other taxes that the everyday person feels in a big way (especially those who don't make enough to pay federal taxes) are completely insignificant to someone making Romney's yearly income. On a percentage basis, the only significant tax Romney pays is his federal and state income taxes. Over the last decade as the federal government has cut payments to the states, the states have responded by increasing all these regressive taxes. For the poor and lower middle class. federal taxes are the least of their concerns.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 08:38 pm
@engineer,
one thumb up is not enough, sir...

well stated.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 09:34 pm
@engineer,
...and that effects this discussion how? The relief of income tax for the poorest of us is a good thing. Turning it into a payment for some is another good thing. Punishing the rich to excess isn't necessary. Or fair.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 09:36 pm
@Lash,
" Punishing the rich to excess isn't necessary"

I missed where we decided to do that...

tell me again?
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 09:41 pm
@Rockhead,
My opinion of not capping income tax.

At least SOMEwhere.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 09:42 pm
@Lash,
rather descriptive and inflammatory language for a cap.

just my opinion...

you almost had me feeling sorry for the wealthy.

silly me...
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 09:47 pm
@Rockhead,
LOL. Somebody needs a refresher on "inflammatory" language...
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 09:48 pm
@Lash,
you must have missed my earl weaver rant yesterday...
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 09:48 pm
@Rockhead,
Will find it and check your skillz.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 09:50 pm
@Lash,
http://able2know.org/topic/134642-71#post-5070282
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2012 09:59 pm
@Rockhead,
I laughed so hard. Yes, you are approved of knowledge of inflammatory language, and I graciously accept the implied apology for my mild word choice.

Wink
 

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